best witcher 3 review

[pike]

this sums up the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIeEZeKN8JE

[Duncan]

We cant deny witcher 3 is a very good product, it looks (and sounds) nice and shiny, doesnt really challenge the player, has a lot of well written content and works well for most people.
As a game its totally copy/paste secondary AAA title with not a single original game mechanic. And even most of the actual mechanics are presented in first 2-3 hours of play and then the new ones (except a couple really rare exceptions) are never introduced for the rest of your 100-150 playthrough, which ultimately, mixed with lack of actual challenge, will leave most people bored by the end.

So I think it all depends on how you evaluate games these days, as a gamer who actively played videogames past 20-40 years and expects from the industry something new and interesting, or as a consumer who paid money and wants a good product in return.

[bukkie661]

引用自 Duncan：

We cant deny witcher 3 is a very good product, it looks (and sounds) nice and shiny, doesnt really challenge the player, has a lot of well written content and works well for most people.
As a game its totally copy/paste secondary AAA title with not a single original game mechanic. And even most of the actual mechanics are presented in first 2-3 hours of play and then the new ones (except a couple really rare exceptions) are never introduced for the rest of your 100-150 playthrough, which ultimately, mixed with lack of actual challenge, will leave most people bored by the end.

So I think it all depends on how you evaluate games these days, as a gamer who actively played videogames past 20-40 years and expects from the industry something new and interesting, or as a consumer who paid money and wants a good product in return.

At the risk of being an overaged hipster... I remember when arcadegames were mechanical. I do take my hobby seriously, owning all the current consoles and a slew of retro ones and a hefty gaming-rig. When it comes to gaming proper though, I feel like having a toolshed full of grade A tools and all that I do with it is sawing out disney-figures printed on a piece of triplex.

Next to being a serious hobbyist not afraid to drop money where needed to stay in the forefront, I'm also a consumer. Of course I am. And in that respect, I might aswell carefully wrap my tools in oil-paper and lovingly store them in air-tight containers. I'm just going from sawing out one triplex casted Disney-princess to the next.

[Gohenko]

引用自 pike：

your trying to protect the greatness of tw3 by devaluing the review by calling it entertainment .
yes he does present his reviews in a humorous fashion , but they alway are grounded in telling the truth about the game . how it runs , he goes into the controls , the games systems , how it looks , he covers all the bases and does a good job of it . and they are pretty funny .
same goes for Yahtzee
your belittling the review of the witcher3 because you personally think it's the best game ever and believe that if anyone holds a different opinion than you they are wrong .
you have a very narrow perspective and need to not place such importance on such a shallow thing as a game .

here's yathzee's review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmH_Fai42g8

Mind replying to my post? It was, after all, specifically pointed at you.

引用自 ydraig：

Basically what I'm saying is I'd rather watch a collection of Yahtzee's most rambling ZP's than a single Angry Joe or Total Biscuit "review." Yecch.

I'm curious, what exactly do you find wrong with Angry Joe? (Never mind, should've read on before writing a reply) I've always found his approach very "everyday gamer"-like, if that makes sense. Also by doing long review videos he always has plenty of time to talk about the many aspects of the game in detail and consider them from multiple perspectives, as well as put some jokes here and there so people wouldn't get bored. Nothing to complain about imo, really.

As for Totalbiscuit, he doesn't do reviews and has never claimed otherwise. He only does first impressions and I honestly think he couldn't do it any better. He isn't trying to be funny or anything, but he plays the game for a bit and then gives his honest opinion on what he thinks the game does well and what it does not do so well. And from a PC gaming perspective, I find it great that he also spends time talking about the quality of the pc port and offers a quick rundown of its settings.

Not trying to discredit Zero Punctuation in any way, though. I personally really like Yahtzee's videos and he actually comes across as a very intelligent person, but I also happen to like Angry Joe and Totalbiscuit. All three of them do what the do very well.

edit: double post

[pike]

引用自 ydraig：

引用自 MofineBovine：

if you cant tell that the ZP reviews are for entertainment, and not an in depth critical review, then god help you.

Yahtzee doesn't actually identify as a "reviewer" but a critic. He's an uncomfortable mixture of comedian and critic for sure, and sometimes he tries waaay too hard to poke holes in things, grasping at anything he can turn into an overlong simile, but at the end of the day he often critiques games more skillfully and accurately than a lot of so-called "real" game journalists.

Basically what I'm saying is I'd rather watch a collection of Yahtzee's most rambling ZP's than a single Angry Joe or Total Biscuit "review." Yecch.

he is a real journalist , his presentation is humorous , but the fact are real ,not made up .
what does a film critic do ? review movies
what does a game critic do ? review games
he looks at the game and gives a critic of it . how it plays , runs , looks . and then reports his findings with a humorous non-punctuated audio delivery with entertaining minimalist graphics to punctuate what he is saying .
you dont get it .
he doesn't recommend games , that's for you to decide , he only tells you about the game , he reviews it .
stay in school , work on your comprehension .

[pharmy]

The game is rough around the edges for sure but that doesnt mean its not an amazing accomplishment and really fun to play. That review is a joke

[Moffin Bovin]

引用自 Gohenko：

As for Totalbiscuit, he doesn't do reviews and has never claimed otherwise. He only does first impressions and I honestly think he couldn't do it any better. He isn't trying to be funny or anything, but he plays the game for a bit and then gives his honest opinion on what he thinks the game does well and what it does not do so well. And from a PC gaming perspective, I find it great that he also spends time talking about the quality of the pc port and offers a quick rundown of its settings.

The problem i have with TB's first impressions is that quite often when he does a video on a game, it is one of the most watched videos for that game. He might not call his videos "reviews" but thats what they are treated as by the majority of people. If he says a game is bad, then an army of people will absorb his opinion and parrot it across the internet whilst having no actual idea of a game other than what they heard from TB. If his interpretation of a game is inaccurate because he hasnt taken the time to figure out how to play the game properly then people will be mislead. His popularity should demand that he take some responsability and take the time to make sure his critique of a game is as accuate and informative as it should be.

Im not saying that everything he says should automatically be dismissed, and there is somthing to be said about how well a game introduces it's mechanics to a player. ie. If someone is playing a game "wrong" then why? perhaps the game doesnt communicate the way it is supposed to be played properly.

A quick example of what im talking about is something you can see if you compare his criique of Bound by flame https://youtu.be/nNzqAQzTFjc?t=944 with another short video by somone else showing combat in the exact same area, but on the hardest difficulty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CM5nz2jMUQ Now, Bound by Flame is a god awful game, but TB's impression of the games combat is so far off because in his own words he spent his time trying to "cheese" it and never bothered to learn to play the game properly.

[Darth_Roxs]

引用自 pike：

引用自 Drakulus23：

The Witcher 3 was good, but I would agree that's overrated imo. If you guys are up for some reading I reviewed this game a while ago after 150 hours of playtime - http://drakulus.com/2015/06/18/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-review/

As far as this guy's review goes I think he should tone down the profanity a bit, but he was pretty spot on imo.

i want to be a blue crayon too
good review , a nice read ,
tw3 is one of those games that feels like it could have been great but the devs dropped the ball in their design choices ,
i'm surprised you rated it so high , you acknowledge the numerous shortcomings and fails yet still give it an 8/10 ,
i think expectations and what a good game is and is supposed to be have declined ,
bad controls
bad leveling
bad map/mini map
bad fov (i swear , does jerry not have a neck? is his head just glued into place ?)
bad movement (jerry no jump in combat ?, more than half the time the games doing it's own thing i have no control of jerry)
bad combat (jerry no jump , jerry no attack the oppenent i want to , game again controls itself)
bad crafting ( the gear menues are a joke , i need the right guy at the right time to make a sword at the right level , i have to fish through so many screens to see if i already have the junk schematic to make some crap i dont need , you either get the schematics way too soon , or so late they dont matter , and you have to go through morescreens just to compare it to what you got .)
i dont bother with it , i just let jerry auto make his potions
bad trading ,( nobody gets anything new , cant trade what i have equipped , more screens to see an compare to what i have , just bad)
all the mechanics , all the under the hood stuff is in poor shape ,
so much bad

and so little good

good graphics
good story
and this is 8/10 ?

i just feel there are too many short comings in the game and people are giving it and all games a free pass on quality
people have become all to willing to accept poor quality because they are told to

do i like the game ..... yes , is it good ..... not really [/quot
I agree with most of your criticisms. I enjoyed the gameplay, but it is floaty as hell and you can tell it's not PC user friendly. I really enjoyed the main story, and some of the side quest, but many of them are the exact same thing and it got repetitive after awhile. I didn't mind finding a blacksmith/weaponsmith to craft weapons or armor for me, but the lack of good weapons/armor did make me question the point of it.

I gave it an 8 because honestly I think that's what the PC version of the game is imo. When I weighed the positives to the negatives I thought an 8 was a fair score to give the game becaues I did love my time spent in The Witcher 3. That's my honest opinion on it.

[Darth_Roxs]

引用自 Gohenko：

引用自 pike：

i want to be a blue crayon too
good review , a nice read ,
tw3 is one of those games that feels like it could have been great but the devs dropped the ball in their design choices ,
i'm surprised you rated it so high , you acknowledge the numerous shortcomings and fails yet still give it an 8/10 ,
i think expectations and what a good game is and is supposed to be have declined ,
bad controls
bad leveling
bad map/mini map
bad fov (i swear , does jerry not have a neck? is his head just glued into place ?)
bad movement (jerry no jump in combat ?, more than half the time the games doing it's own thing i have no control of jerry)
bad combat (jerry no jump , jerry no attack the oppenent i want to , game again controls itself)
bad crafting ( the gear menues are a joke , i need the right guy at the right time to make a sword at the right level , i have to fish through so many screens to see if i already have the junk schematic to make some crap i dont need , you either get the schematics way too soon , or so late they dont matter , and you have to go through morescreens just to compare it to what you got .)
i dont bother with it , i just let jerry auto make his potions
bad trading ,( nobody gets anything new , cant trade what i have equipped , more screens to see an compare to what i have , just bad)
all the mechanics , all the under the hood stuff is in poor shape ,
so much bad

and so little good

good graphics
good story
and this is 8/10 ?

i just feel there are too many short comings in the game and people are giving it and all games a free pass on quality
people have become all to willing to accept poor quality because they are told to

do i like the game ..... yes , is it good ..... not really

There is a lot to like about the game and it shouldn't be hard to understand why a lot of people, including myself, enjoy spending dozens and even hundreds of hours with it. Thing is, most of the stuff you seem to complain about are design choices instead of objective problems and as such are nigh impossible to regard as objectively bad or of poor quality. Critics and masses alike are very much enjoying Witcher 3, and that alone speaks volumes about the general consensus of its quality.

You don't personally hold Witcher 3 in high regard, that seems clear enough. Nothing wrong with that per se, but I'm curious. What rpg in your opinion succeeds where Witcher 3 has failed?

I'm not sure if this was meant at me, but I enjoyed The Witcher 3. It's a great game with some major flaws though.

[Gohenko]

引用自 MofineBovine：

引用自 Gohenko：

As for Totalbiscuit, he doesn't do reviews and has never claimed otherwise. He only does first impressions and I honestly think he couldn't do it any better. He isn't trying to be funny or anything, but he plays the game for a bit and then gives his honest opinion on what he thinks the game does well and what it does not do so well. And from a PC gaming perspective, I find it great that he also spends time talking about the quality of the pc port and offers a quick rundown of its settings.

The problem i have with TB's first impressions is that quite often when he does a video on a game, it is one of the most watched videos for that game. He might not call his videos "reviews" but thats what they are treated as by the majority of people. If he says a game is bad, then an army of people will absorb his opinion and parrot it across the internet whilst having no actual idea of a game other than what they heard from TB. If his interpretation of a game is inaccurate because he hasnt taken the time to figure out how to play the game properly then people will be mislead. His popularity should demand that he take some responsability and take the time to make sure his critique of a game is as accuate and informative as it should be.

Im not saying that everything he says should automatically be dismissed, and there is somthing to be said about how well a game introduces it's mechanics to a player. ie. If someone is playing a game "wrong" then why? perhaps the game doesnt communicate the way it is supposed to be played properly.

A quick example of what im talking about is something you can see if you compare his criique of Bound by flame https://youtu.be/nNzqAQzTFjc?t=944 with another short video by somone else showing combat in the exact same area, but on the hardest difficulty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CM5nz2jMUQ Now, Bound by Flame is a god awful game, but TB's impression of the games combat is so far off because in his own words he spent his time trying to "cheese" it and never bothered to learn to play the game properly.

I can sympathise with that, but if some people consider TB's videos reviews even though he always tries to make it clear they are not, isn't the problem with the people? And if some people take his impressions as facts and go around "parroting it across the internet whilst having no actual idea of a game" themselves, isn't the problem again with the people?

Otherwise I'm not really disagreeing with what you're saying. I do think TB is trying his best and that he is fully aware of his responsibility as one of the most popular gaming critics on Youtube. He usually makes it clear in the video if he isn't good at the game in question and often also points out what other people have been saying about the game.

引用自 Drakulus23：

引用自 Gohenko：

There is a lot to like about the game and it shouldn't be hard to understand why a lot of people, including myself, enjoy spending dozens and even hundreds of hours with it. Thing is, most of the stuff you seem to complain about are design choices instead of objective problems and as such are nigh impossible to regard as objectively bad or of poor quality. Critics and masses alike are very much enjoying Witcher 3, and that alone speaks volumes about the general consensus of its quality.

You don't personally hold Witcher 3 in high regard, that seems clear enough. Nothing wrong with that per se, but I'm curious. What rpg in your opinion succeeds where Witcher 3 has failed?

I'm not sure if this was meant at me, but I enjoyed The Witcher 3. It's a great game with some major flaws though.

You mean me? It wasn't pointed to you, I was talking to OP.

edit: double post

[Y Ddraig Ddu]

I rather disagree that Bound By Flame is a "godawful" game. It's actually decent.

[The Time Traveler]

This game can suck a ♥♥♥♥ til they push out the dlcs they promised months ago.

[Horo]

The guy can't recommend games that he considers 'casual'. As he said, he missed the point with this review. He recommeds Telltale games, but their main focus is story telling despite a lot of QTE mechanics. Yet, he can't recommend this game for the story because it is a AAA title. At least Yahtzee recommended the game based off adept story telling, it was fair.

[pike]

引用自 avatarstryfe：

This game can suck a ♥♥♥♥ til they push out the dlcs they promised months ago.

the paid dlc doesnt arrive till the end of the year (oct/nov) convenient for Christmas shopping grandma , then the second one in the beginning of the new year , they never promised it any sooner than that ,
all the free dlc's (16) were released .

[John W]

I actually agree with a lot of what the reviewer said. People say don't compare Witcher 3 to Skyrim. That is probably a true statement. I like Skyrim better. I do like Witcher 3 but totally agree that the combat is messed up and designed for consoles. I hate the fact that I can't stick with one opponent in a group and fight until they are dead and then move on to the next. I absolutely do not like the auto target lock and the automatic switching of targets. Agree totally that the game is designed for console people who can't control their character. Just keep hitting keys until the target(s) dead or you are. Yes you can dodge, roll etc but you have to because you can't break lock from the target. I feel the game would be much improved if they would turn off the auto target lock.

[Breitmacher]

引用自 pike：

this sums up the game

ive seen it before !
this is the WORST review !

biggest fail review of worthabuy in history.
this unprofessional review made me unsubscribe his channel

Wanna see the really good stuff ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdw_m6DvF8s