THERE IS A CANON ENDING?! *Spoilers*

[Saint]

So for those of you who do not know, at the end of Hearts of Stone, O'dimm offers Geralt a number of awesome wishes. Infinite food, infinite alcohol, 5000 crowns, an epic saddle... and the location of Ciri. Okay well O'dimm says he's not allowed to meddle with that, so instead he tells you information to keep Ciri from danger, but most of what he tells you doesn't lead her from danger so much as lead you towards a specific ending. Follow all of O'dimm's advice: Make her laugh when she's defeated, Grieve with her at Vesemir's death, don't let her think you've sold her out, make her feel couragous but don't do it for her... and you can only come to one ending: Where she becomes a Witcher and travels with Geralt for the foreseeable future. Following O'dimm's advice, you dont' really keep Ciri from danger (is it really dangerous to become queen of Nilfgaard?) but you most certainly end up there at the end of the game. A truly fitting ending for her and Geralt.

[Taka]

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

So for those of you who do not know, at the end of Hearts of Stone, O'dimm offers Geralt a number of awesome wishes. Infinite food, infinite alcohol, 5000 crowns, an epic saddle... and the location of Ciri. Okay well O'dimm says he's not allowed to meddle with that, so instead he tells you information to keep Ciri from danger, but most of what he tells you doesn't lead her from danger so much as lead you towards a specific ending. Follow all of O'dimm's advice: Make her laugh when she's defeated, Grieve with her at Vesemir's death, don't let her think you've sold her out, make her feel couragous but don't do it for her... and you can only come to one ending: Where she becomes a Witcher and travels with Geralt for the foreseeable future. Following O'dimm's advice, you dont' really keep Ciri from danger (is it really dangerous to become queen of Nilfgaard?) but you most certainly end up there at the end of the game. A truly fitting ending for her and Geralt.

Who shoots who with a cannon?

[Saint]

Originally posted by Trump is Satan:

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

So for those of you who do not know, at the end of Hearts of Stone, O'dimm offers Geralt a number of awesome wishes. Infinite food, infinite alcohol, 5000 crowns, an epic saddle... and the location of Ciri. Okay well O'dimm says he's not allowed to meddle with that, so instead he tells you information to keep Ciri from danger, but most of what he tells you doesn't lead her from danger so much as lead you towards a specific ending. Follow all of O'dimm's advice: Make her laugh when she's defeated, Grieve with her at Vesemir's death, don't let her think you've sold her out, make her feel couragous but don't do it for her... and you can only come to one ending: Where she becomes a Witcher and travels with Geralt for the foreseeable future. Following O'dimm's advice, you dont' really keep Ciri from danger (is it really dangerous to become queen of Nilfgaard?) but you most certainly end up there at the end of the game. A truly fitting ending for her and Geralt.

Who shoots who with a cannon?

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, thank you for the correction XD

[Phyrric]

You are aware that this is prefectly doable without meeting O'dimm?

There are 3 endings, people knew about it yoinks ago. Hell, It was the first ending I ever got.

[Saint]

Originally posted by CompletedQuill:

You are aware that this is prefectly doable without meeting O'dimm?

There are 3 endings, people knew about it yoinks ago. Hell, It was the first ending I ever got.

You're such an idiot. I'm not saying it's a secret ending, i never once said you need odimm, it's arguably the easiest ending to get. I'm saying that from my point of view, odimm giving you that specific advice rather than advice leading to say her becoming the queen means that the developers consider that the canon ending. The ending that actually took place would we see a Witcher 4. Next time you don't understand a word, look it up don't just assume it means something. I've never seen anyone think Canon means Secret.

[Phyrric]

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

Originally posted by CompletedQuill:

You are aware that this is prefectly doable without meeting O'dimm?

There are 3 endings, people knew about it yoinks ago. Hell, It was the first ending I ever got.

You're such an idiot. I'm not saying it's a secret ending, i never once said you need odimm, it's arguably the easiest ending to get. I'm saying that from my point of view, odimm giving you that specific advice rather than advice leading to say her becoming the queen means that the developers consider that the canon ending. The ending that actually took place would we see a Witcher 4. Next time you don't understand a word, look it up don't just assume it means something. I've never seen anyone think Canon means Secret.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that you claimed to have found a secret ending, but the way you worded your OP made it sound like you found something of that effect.

And the information O'dimm tells you avoids her death, not make her a witcher. The closest thing he says to that effect is ''Don't make her think you sold her out'' which doesn't rule out the Empress ending, just Ciri dying.

[Saint]

Originally posted by CompletedQuill:

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

You're such an idiot. I'm not saying it's a secret ending, i never once said you need odimm, it's arguably the easiest ending to get. I'm saying that from my point of view, odimm giving you that specific advice rather than advice leading to say her becoming the queen means that the developers consider that the canon ending. The ending that actually took place would we see a Witcher 4. Next time you don't understand a word, look it up don't just assume it means something. I've never seen anyone think Canon means Secret.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that you claimed to have found a secret ending, but the way you worded your OP made it sound like you found something of that effect.

And the information O'dimm tells you avoids her death, not make her a witcher. The closest thing he says to that effect is ''Don't make her think you sold her out'' which doesn't rule out the Empress ending, just Ciri dying.

I believe that when Ciri is defeated and Geralt makes her laugh as well as letting her vent when she's betrayed outrule the queen ending. I could be mistaken, but i remember that for the queen ending to take place you need to be just the right level of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and choose all the perfect dialogues, plus multiple side-quests

[Phyrric]

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

Originally posted by CompletedQuill:

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that you claimed to have found a secret ending, but the way you worded your OP made it sound like you found something of that effect.

And the information O'dimm tells you avoids her death, not make her a witcher. The closest thing he says to that effect is ''Don't make her think you sold her out'' which doesn't rule out the Empress ending, just Ciri dying.

I believe that when Ciri is defeated and Geralt makes her laugh as well as letting her vent when she's betrayed outrule the queen ending. I could be mistaken, but i remember that for the queen ending to take place you need to be just the right level of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and choose all the perfect dialogues, plus multiple side-quests

All you have to do is complete the assassination of Radovid in Vernon Roche's favor, and take her to Emhyr. Nothing O'dimm says rules out either of the actions.

[istvan_v]

An in-game character suggesting a particular choice does not make it "canon". What does from a logical point of view is if it is made a fact - unconditionally - by the games that the choice or ending happened (e.g. Thaler is alive in W3 no matter what, which would be hard to explain if you killed him in W1).

Thus, there is no canon ending to The Witcher 3 yet, although this can (but not necessarily will) be changed by a future sequel. Even then, it is possible for multiple endings to converge to the same initial world state in the next game without any of them actually being made canon (for example, Ciri could plausibly end up being a witcher after any of the endings, because even the bad ending does not confirm her death).

[Saint]

Originally posted by istvan_v:

An in-game character suggesting a particular choice does not make it "canon". What does from a logical point of view is if it is made a fact - unconditionally - by the games that the choice or ending happened (e.g. Thaler is alive in W3 no matter what, which would be hard to explain if you killed him in W1).

Thus, there is no canon ending to The Witcher 3 yet, although this can (but not necessarily will) be changed by a future sequel. Even then, it is possible for multiple endings to converge to the same initial world state in the next game without any of them actually being made canon (for example, Ciri could plausibly end up being a witcher after any of the endings, because even the bad ending does not confirm her death).

The remaining Crone - who is generally accepted as pretty damn powerful and informed - states that Ciri is a corpse; and i doubt that Odimm would be that concerned about Ciri's safety if she actually made it out of The Frost, i rather think he mentioned it because her death ending is in fact her death.
While you're right it is technically Schrodinger's Ending until the next game comes out if one ever does, it just seems like the way he says it points towards the developers wanting the players to take a specific path.

[Phyrric]

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

Originally posted by istvan_v:

An in-game character suggesting a particular choice does not make it "canon". What does from a logical point of view is if it is made a fact - unconditionally - by the games that the choice or ending happened (e.g. Thaler is alive in W3 no matter what, which would be hard to explain if you killed him in W1).

Thus, there is no canon ending to The Witcher 3 yet, although this can (but not necessarily will) be changed by a future sequel. Even then, it is possible for multiple endings to converge to the same initial world state in the next game without any of them actually being made canon (for example, Ciri could plausibly end up being a witcher after any of the endings, because even the bad ending does not confirm her death).

The remaining Crone - who is generally accepted as pretty damn powerful and informed - states that Ciri is a corpse; and i doubt that Odimm would be that concerned about Ciri's safety if she actually made it out of The Frost, i rather think he mentioned it because her death ending is in fact her death.
While you're right it is technically Schrodinger's Ending until the next game comes out if one ever does, it just seems like the way he says it points towards the developers wanting the players to take a specific path.

Really, There is no way the Crone wants to torture Geraly, and the Crone knows that Ciri is important to Geralt. Telling him that she's dead would definitely push more than a few (sensitive) buttons.

Really, it would make sense story-wise for Geralt to ask for information on Ciri, and considering what O'dimm said, next best thing would be telling the player what to do to get a favorable ending. It isn't that bad of a reward if you ignore the existence of the internet, or if you're heavily into roleplaying.

[istvan_v]

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

The remaining Crone - who is generally accepted as pretty damn powerful and informed - states that Ciri is a corpse

She could be lying, though, to manipulate Geralt into committing suicide. And earlier in the game the crones also say that if he finds Ciri, then she will die, and then again that "one of them" will die. Does that suggest the bad ending will be canon ? Who knows. In my opinion CDPR's approach in the next game will be that they choose a world state that suits the story they want to tell the best, then try to explain how the choices from the previous game lead to that state, and - within reason as far as resource usage is concerned - make it react to imported choices, probably in small ways. That does not necessarily imply choosing the "happiest" ending. And it may not even be decided yet, or it could change before W4 enters production. That is, unless they are already set on making a sequel with Ciri as the main protagonist.

[Saint]

Originally posted by istvan_v:

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

The remaining Crone - who is generally accepted as pretty damn powerful and informed - states that Ciri is a corpse

She could be lying, though, to manipulate Geralt into committing suicide. And earlier in the game the crones also say that if he finds Ciri, then she will die, and then again that "one of them" will die. Does that suggest the bad ending will be canon ? Who knows. In my opinion CDPR's approach in the next game will be that they choose a world state that suits the story they want to tell the best, then try to explain how the choices from the previous game lead to that state, and - within reason as far as resource usage is concerned - make it react to imported choices, probably in small ways. That does not necessarily imply choosing the "happiest" ending. And it may not even be decided yet, or it could change before W4 enters production. That is, unless they are already set on making a sequel with Ciri as the main protagonist.

All very good points, can't really say anything for sure unless CDPR does something.

Oh is a W4 confirmed? That'd be incredible. Although Ciri being the protagonist kinda rips a lot of the gameplay out of The Witcher, she can't drink Witcher Potions as she didn't take The Trial of the Grasses; and i suppose Signs and her Reactions would be equivalent to a Witcher thanks to her Old Blood, but could she improve them to the point of witcher-level?

[istvan_v]

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

I believe that when Ciri is defeated and Geralt makes her laugh as well as letting her vent when she's betrayed outrule the queen ending.

The empress ending has the following conditions, all of which need to be met to get it:
- avoid the bad ending (obviously)
- visit Emhyr with Ciri after the battle of Kaer Morhen
- assassinate Radovid and side with Roche, so that Nilfgaard wins the war

And at least 3 of the following being true leads to the bad ending:
- tell Ciri to "relax, you do not need to be good at everything" in Blood on the Battlefield (resulting in a drinking scene instead of a snowball fight)
- accept the money from Emhyr if/when visiting him with Ciri
- accompany Ciri when she meets the Lodge in Final Preparations
- do not let Ciri destroy Avallac'h's lab in Child of the Elder Blood, give her the necklace instead
- do not go to Skjall's grave with Ciri after the same quest

Oh is a W4 confirmed? That'd be incredible.

I did not say that, I only speculated what could be if it was indeed made. But I think a fourth Witcher game would not be too surprising, that possibility was not denied by CDPR, they only insist on Geralt's story being over.

[jss1138]

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

at the end of Hearts of Stone, O'dimm offers Geralt a number of awesome wishes.

That didn't happen for me. I sent him back to hell. He wasn't too happy about that, so...no wishes for my Geralt.

Having said that, I did finish the main game (and through blind chance alone, got the good ending) before I even purchased HoS, so that may have been a factor.

Still, that he hints as how to get the good ending in the main game (but only if you get the "bad" ending for HoS), I don't think that necessarilly makes the Ciri Witcher ending canon.

[Saint]

Originally posted by jss1138:

Originally posted by Saint TEC Walker of Astora:

at the end of Hearts of Stone, O'dimm offers Geralt a number of awesome wishes.

That didn't happen for me. I sent him back to hell. He wasn't too happy about that, so...no wishes for my Geralt.

Having said that, I did finish the main game (and through blind chance alone, got the good ending) before I even purchased HoS, so that may have been a factor.

Still, that he hints as how to get the good ending in the main game (but only if you get the "bad" ending for HoS), I don't think that necessarilly makes the Ciri Witcher ending canon.

Well i personally find the Horn of Plenty too OP not to use. Infinite food. Gest of Gs.

I don't honestly consider Odimm killing Olgeird the "bad" ending of HoS. Olgeird is an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. He kills people for fun, he's cocky, he generally is just a bad human being (and what's funny is i kill *virtual people for fun and am cocky). There's a reason that demons and satanic figures go after people like Olgeird: they generally deserve it. Olgeird tried to cheat a demon and everything bad that happened to him was essentially his own fault. He was like a cancer. Anything bad that happened to him happened to the people immediately close to him as well, causing a ripple effect throughout the community. Now after everything that he's done he gets to walk free and enjoy a wonderous life having learned the valuble lesson of... what exactly? Don't make deals with demons? Because you're not immortal you can't go around killing people on a whim, you actually need to have a reason to do it? I can't defend Olgeird. I can't pity him, i don't see a point in forgiving him, and i don't see a reason why i should put in the effort to save him. Level 37 sword that eats my HP occasionally? Okay, cool. Infinite food? Pretty damn awesome.