It takes three to tango.

[p0mpous]

This quest has never made any sense to me, I tend to just ♥♥♥♥ both of them because I dont really like either of them. But I dont get why you have to do the quest. From any logical perspective why would you fall for this?

For reference I have played the main quest line many times.

And the act of locking the door to avallach to force you to do this stupid quest is just another example of how heavy handed CDPR's game design really is.q

[charly4711]

Uhh ... you sleep with both because you don't like either ... uhhh ... I think I can think of a way to avoid the outcome.

[p0mpous]

Originally posted by charly4711:

Uhh ... you sleep with both because you don't like either ... uhhh ... I think I can think of a way to avoid the outcome.

Its called using them. They have nice bodies but both are just meh as people, I really wish there was a way for Geralt to see through this rather than the rail roading nature of it.

The best way is console commands, the antidote to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game design XD.

Its also totally out of nowhere and it just makes no sense in how it happens. There is also the pacing issue, a lot of players play the Novigrad section then Skillege, Triss is in Novigrad, Yen is in Skillege. It basically leads to a problem where you arent really in a relationship with them, you say you love them then have sex with them and thats it. So the entire romance section is very badly done, you could have made for more detailed and dedicated sections to the relationships, instead its just kinda empty and rushed.

It actually feels very awkward to turn them down during the romance part but because they take place often separately players often do one then the other and they never feel connected. Its not cheating because you are never really in a relationship. And I dont care about what the story says, I care about in gameplay, you are never in a relationship, so the results dont make sense. They feel like what they, one off casual sex.

[p0mpous]

To go further, it sucks from a writing perspective because its leaves you with the impression that Geralt, the character you play is immensely stupid, not really a good thing to throw on the player for just following a pretty natural course of action.

There is also the fact peoples minds change. You learn about the spell from the djinn, you might do that after romancing Triss and change your mind.

[Bolski]

No, it's called consequences. You CHOSE to sleep with both. And the story has it so that you tell them that you love them each in order to sleep with them. You CAN choose NOT to sleep with either as well and you won't get the "Three to Tango" mission, or you can choose one of them and again, you won't get the mission.

But you apparently wanted to "use" them because you can't stand either one. How about not sleeping with them at all? That's another choice.

The Witcher games have ALWAYS had choices you can make that can affect the game.

Nothing heavy-handed in this at all IMHO.

Besides, you get XP for it. Why complain? Funny how you chose to "use" both as you stated because you can't stand them, then you whine that you got called out on your debauchery. lol. It's just a game. Chill.

[p0mpous]

Originally posted by Bolski:

No, it's called consequences. You CHOSE to sleep with both. And the story has it so that you tell them that you love them each in order to sleep with them. You CAN choose NOT to sleep with either as well and you won't get the "Three to Tango" mission, or you can choose one of them and again, you won't get the mission.

But you apparently wanted to "use" them because you can't stand either one. How about not sleeping with them at all? That's another choice.

The Witcher games have ALWAYS had choices you can make that can affect the game.

Nothing heavy-handed in this at all IMHO.

Besides, you get XP for it. Why complain? Funny how you chose to "use" both as you stated because you can't stand them, then you whine that you got called out on your debauchery. lol. It's just a game. Chill.

Ok again, the consequence of not getting either of them I can understand, forcing the player into what is clearly a trick is a bit odd. It is heavy handed, you literally have the do the mission, for players playing first time you also have the issue that you may do everything in Novigrad and romance Triss then bump into Yenn later and decide I like Yenn more, its very poorly implemented, its not like you are with both then you finally choose.

Again design the quest so there are multiple ways through it, allow Geralt to trick them if you do it right, allow Geralt to just not show up, or just let players not do the quest because its a blatant trick, it becomes a chore.

One of the best ways to hurt someone if to tell them you love them, then rip it away from them. The quest also has the main problem of making Geralt as a character a complete moron, you would have to be a blithering idiot.

Also there is a lot stake here and apparently Triss and Yen are such awful people that they would delay saving the world from the wild hunt and the frost just to get back at Geralt for being unfaithful, it makes every character involved look like ♥♥♥♥. Its honestly another example of CDPR just not knowing how to write. They write a lot, they put a lot of story into their games, unfortunately the quality of the story and writing is not all that great.

A quest like that existing is fine but there must be alternatives to it otherwise you are essentially rail roaded into Geralt as a character being stupid.

[felixpoop]

FFS, it's just supposed to be funny. It's not a larger commentary on Geralt.

[RequiemsRose]

In some ways i do agree, but not in the ways i think the OP would like. I haven't even played the second game and barely played the first but was able to distinguish enough of the story to figure out that trying to play or "use" both of them would be a horrible idea. Both are known to be pretty powerful with magic in ways that Geralt is clearly not the most equipped for (considering he mentions things like not trusting magics they consider pretty basic like teleportation) and that alone is a sign that you should probably be careful. They also make it pretty clear that pretty much no one in this game is actually a truly good person, a whole lot of grey areas for everyone. Plus it was also made pretty clear that Yen and Triss communicate but have a tense relationship (and hint that its because of the past relationship issues between the Geralt, Triss, Yen love triangle, which you may not fully understand if you havent played the other games but at least get the idea that Geralt was with Triss when he had no memory and Yen is still pissed about it).

The story makes it pretty clear it's a bad idea to try and "use" both of them, even if you don't like either one. It seems to me like it's user error if you still choose to do so anyway. Especially when you can also go to brothels with no actual consequences if you really need to get your rocks off and use some women you dont actually care about.

[Bolski]

Originally posted by p0mpous:

A quest like that existing is fine but there must be alternatives to it otherwise you are essentially rail roaded into Geralt as a character being stupid.

But you're NOT railroaded. You made the choice, regardless. Just have fun with it.

Just to let you know, the first I played the game, I was for Triss because I was only familiar with the first two games and not the books. I never even knew about Yenn until the 3rd game because I had totally forgotten her being referenced in the second game which is where Geralt gets his memory back about her.

I had chosen Triss, courted her, begged her stay, etc. Then later, as I worked with Yenn and learned about their relationship especially with Ciri, I fell for her. Not thinking anything bad would happen, I decided to go for it with her thinking I could break Triss' heart. But instead, I got the "Three to Tango" and I laughed myself silly. I was like "I deserved that!"

Having since read the books, I have a VERY deep appreciation for the complex relationship between Geralt and Yenn. So much so that I was team Yenn all the way in my second playthrough. I don't know if I'll choose Triss because she did take advantage of Geralt's amnesia in the first two games, and in the books, she had courted him after he and Yenn broke up, knowing how Yenn still felt about him.

In the end, the game devs are not the ones making Geralt look stupid. That's the choice of the player. They just put in something I, and many others, found hilarious and funny. Just have fun with it. Again, it's just a game.

Go back and play again and make different choices. You get different endings for Geralt and Ciri based on what you do. For me, the replay value of this game is great.

[Valden21]

The quest is completely optional, and it only happens if you romance both Yenn and Triss. Romance only one of them, and it never occurs. The game doesn't railroad you into it, and if it DOES happen, it's a consequence of your actions.

[p0mpous]

Originally posted by felixpoop:

FFS, it's just supposed to be funny. It's not a larger commentary on Geralt.

Its not really all that funny though.

[p0mpous]

Originally posted by Valden21:

The quest is completely optional, and it only happens if you romance both Yenn and Triss. Romance only one of them, and it never occurs. The game doesn't railroad you into it, and if it DOES happen, it's a consequence of your actions.

Its not optional if it occurs so no its not optional.

[p0mpous]

Originally posted by RequiemsRose:

In some ways i do agree, but not in the ways i think the OP would like. I haven't even played the second game and barely played the first but was able to distinguish enough of the story to figure out that trying to play or "use" both of them would be a horrible idea. Both are known to be pretty powerful with magic in ways that Geralt is clearly not the most equipped for (considering he mentions things like not trusting magics they consider pretty basic like teleportation) and that alone is a sign that you should probably be careful. They also make it pretty clear that pretty much no one in this game is actually a truly good person, a whole lot of grey areas for everyone. Plus it was also made pretty clear that Yen and Triss communicate but have a tense relationship (and hint that its because of the past relationship issues between the Geralt, Triss, Yen love triangle, which you may not fully understand if you havent played the other games but at least get the idea that Geralt was with Triss when he had no memory and Yen is still pissed about it).

The story makes it pretty clear it's a bad idea to try and "use" both of them, even if you don't like either one. It seems to me like it's user error if you still choose to do so anyway. Especially when you can also go to brothels with no actual consequences if you really need to get your rocks off and use some women you dont actually care about.

But from a character perspective the action of using both can atleast be justified and its not railroaded, it also depends how it happened, for instance lets say you do Novigrad first and spend ages in that area then go over to Skillege, it doesnt really ever feel like you are in a relationship at any point. You can love someone and not be in a relationship, either implement it properly or not at all.

[RequiemsRose]

I havent read the books or completed the other games and they still did that one well enough that I knew it was my own dang fault if I managed to trigger that quest. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...and he won the jackpot for trying to toy with the two people in this world that are established as being able to screw him over with relative ease.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by p0mpous:

Originally posted by Valden21:

The quest is completely optional, and it only happens if you romance both Yenn and Triss. Romance only one of them, and it never occurs. The game doesn't railroad you into it, and if it DOES happen, it's a consequence of your actions.

Its not optional if it occurs so no its not optional.

Yes it is. Like I explained, the quest only occurs if you romance both Triss and Yenn. You are under no obligation to romance either of them, and romancing only one of them makes the quest not appear. The quests in which the romancing occurs are side-quests, not main quests.

[p0mpous]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by p0mpous:

Its not optional if it occurs so no its not optional.

Yes it is. Like I explained, the quest only occurs if you romance both Triss and Yenn. You are under no obligation to romance either of them, and romancing only one of them makes the quest not appear. The quests in which the romancing occurs are side-quests, not main quests.

So its not optional, it may not occur but if it does its no optional.