I don't like nilfgaard

[Dorfo]

nilfgaard from witcher 3 was completely changed compared to witcher 2 they have bondage used geralt's friend letho to assassinate king foltest of temeria and demaved of aedirn letho later was used by nilfgaard to tell king radovid that it was sorceresses sojourn i plan murders of the kings of the north. i have no sympathy for nifgaard they are guilty of aiding in the extinction of elves just because they are not burning non humans are they better than the north ? the invader the one who destroys the northern kingdoms are better? emyher made many wars against the northern kingdoms it kills many innocent children are orphaned misery and destruction this nilfgaard is very different from the books

[Valden21]

OP, what you're not realizing is that BOTH Radovid and Emhyr are evil. That's the kind of place this setting is. The biggest difference is that Emhyr took on the role of an evil ruler because he feels that he has no choice but to be evil; the politics of his position require it. Emhyr is fully aware of how he's viewed, and he accepts it because he feels it's necessary.

This isn't a question of good vs evil, and it's never been one. It's always been a question of "who's more evil, Radovid or Emhyr?". They're BOTH evil, make no mistake about that.

[asarokk]

Every other human nation is guilty of the same, they have all started wars, conquered territory, overthrown other rules, laid waste to settlements, discriminated against non-humans and lived off others misery. Non-humans don't lack in the discriminatory department either, many despise not only humans but other non-human races as well. The history of prejudice is a long one and dates back to the time when the conjunction of the sphere occurred.

“Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all.” No one is better than the other. When are wars ever declared for a just cause, when can wars truly be justified?

[Dorfo]

Messaggio originale di asarokk:

Every other human nation is guilty of the same, they have all started wars, conquered territory, overthrown other rules, laid waste to settlements, discriminated against non-humans and lived off others misery. Non-humans don't lack in the discriminatory department either, many despise not only humans but other non-human races as well. The history of prejudice is a long one and dates back to the time when the conjunction of the sphere occurred.

“Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all.” No one is better than the other. When are wars ever declared for a just cause, when can wars truly be justified?

what's fair about nilfgaard nothing they're just driven by conquest and slavery and started a war without being provoked

[asarokk]

Messaggio originale di Dorfo:

Messaggio originale di asarokk:

Every other human nation is guilty of the same, they have all started wars, conquered territory, overthrown other rules, laid waste to settlements, discriminated against non-humans and lived off others misery. Non-humans don't lack in the discriminatory department either, many despise not only humans but other non-human races as well. The history of prejudice is a long one and dates back to the time when the conjunction of the sphere occurred.

“Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all.” No one is better than the other. When are wars ever declared for a just cause, when can wars truly be justified?

what's fair about nilfgaard nothing they're just driven by conquest and slavery and started a war without being provoked

I never said Nilfgaard was fair. Redania has also declared wars and they also persecuted non-humans and those with magical abilities, just like Nilfgaard. Emhyr and Radovid are both evil.

[Alex_x86]

Welcome to medieval age and fantasy with grey morals instead of clear good and evil. If you haven't noticed everyone is driven by either conquest or hatred to everyone else (or both). There were no "good" factions neither at north nor south. Elves and dwarfs from Scoia'tael were also not good: they were wiping out peaceful villagers instead of fighting actual fight. There was only one idealistic person who was trying to bring everyone together -- Saskia, however as in real life she was manipulated and, sadly, basically a useful idiot.

[Valden21]

This isn't some "evil empire vs good kingdom" thing, OP, so why do you persist in portraying like one? Neither Redania nor Nilfgaard has good rulers; the game makes that very clear. In the end, Emhyr and Radovid are nothing more than two different sides of the same coin; they're both evil. What more explanation does this need?

[ImHelping]

Honestly over the years, I have come around on seemingly simple "Hey I just realized. Evil faction is evil." hot takes like the OP.

Because they are still better than a revolving door of "Everyone is evil, that is what makes *franchise entry* so deep!... Hey no fair calling someone evil! That is mean and being a bully to the faction that is totally not worse than the other guys!"

A 'lesser evil' of gamer hot takes on writing. Wow, even gamers are really just gritty shades of grey huh? Though few things really break immersion like people getting defensive over something you can get invested in during the moment. Harder to get mad at any wrongdoings and man's inhumanity to man and elf when someone is lurking in the bushes ready to scream 'both sides! both sides!' if you nod in agreement with the story and say 'Yup, war sure is hell huh?'

This may explain a lot of Geralt's tendencies. He knows.
"Now, if I actually kill you for trying to sell out triss to witch hunters due to the policies of FACTION NAME, someone might get mad at me having an opinion. So just hand over some gold and run along now."

[Dr.Abscondus]

Nilfgaard is similar to the Roman Empire. It increased it's territory using a well trained professional army and conquered areas are settled by Nilfgaardian immigrants which results in the local people taking up their customs and beliefs. They do not persecute the non-human races or burn witches, mages, herbalists, and alchemists at the stake. They value trade and order so bandits and rebellions are dealt with harshly. Their more advanced culture and technology enables them to protect their peoples against the disease and plagues that torment the Northern Kingdoms, who spend their time in pointless wars that spread ruin across the countryside. I'd prefer to live in Nilfgaard.

[You Touched My Tralala]

through out the game you'll find evidence against any fraction in the game

Nilfgaard? - deceiving cutthroats with wannabe noble attitude
Redania? - pretending to be last hope for North with rather unwelcoming policies against refugees. And also, who's to say their plans for former neighbours' lands aren't same what Nilfgaard has?
Elfs - hypocrite bandits with some kind of elitism attitude but hey how many half elves are out there? Watched too much discovery channels on how to do it D'hoine style?

[c4yrslf]

In the witcher universe everybody including Geralt have shades of grey. This is the kind of moral dilemma the game/books put you into. To quote Geralt

“Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
-- The Last Wish

[Dorfo]

Messaggio originale di You Touched My Tralala:

through out the game you'll find evidence against any fraction in the game

Nilfgaard? - deceiving cutthroats with wannabe noble attitude
Redania? - pretending to be last hope for North with rather unwelcoming policies against refugees. And also, who's to say their plans for former neighbours' lands aren't same what Nilfgaard has?
Elfs - hypocrite bandits with some kind of elitism attitude but hey how many half elves are out there? Watched too much discovery channels on how to do it D'hoine style?

cintra massacre slavery set fire to aedirn erase local cultures are invaders use as an example a ukraine against russia do you think ukraine sees russia as a nice face in their lands killing their people ? crucified people on roadsides on stakes as a warning

[Dorfo]

https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Slavery

[asarokk]

Dorfo you appear to be particularly deadset against Nilfgaard, we are all very aware the empire has committed many atrocities but so has Redania for that matter. As of yet you have not uttered one word against Redania or their crimes. Does that mean you favor Redania? If you do perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to why that is?

Once the game ends and if you return to White Orchard, should Nilfgaard win the war the soldiers garrisoned there leave as Temeria becomes a vassal state, but if Redania wins they continue pursuing their witch hunts relentlessly. Emhyr is at least rational while Radovid is completely insane and Dijkstra can hardly be considered any better either.

In my personal opinion I wouldn't ally myself with any of them. There's really no need to take it all so personally, it's just a game and books. People are allowed to have their opinions and even though some favor Nilfgaard over Rediana or vice versa that doesn't mean people condone war crimes committed by Russia in current world affairs.

[Dorfo]

Messaggio originale di asarokk:

Dorfo you appear to be particularly deadset against Nilfgaard, we are all very aware the empire has committed many atrocities but so has Redania for that matter. As of yet you have not uttered one word against Redania or their crimes. Does that mean you favor Redania? If you do perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to why that is?

Once the game ends and if you return to White Orchard, should Nilfgaard win the war the soldiers garrisoned there leave as Temeria becomes a vassal state, but if Redania wins they continue pursuing their witch hunts relentlessly. Emhyr is at least rational while Radovid is completely insane and Dijkstra can hardly be considered any better either.

In my personal opinion I wouldn't ally myself with any of them. There's really no need to take it all so personally, it's just a game and books. People are allowed to have their opinions and even though some favor Nilfgaard over Rediana or vice versa that doesn't mean people condone war crimes committed by Russia in current world affairs.

first nilfgaard is the invader killed the foltest king of temeria who was the best king in the north a war kills much more than a witch hunt geralt is from the north not the south when an invader comes to take your country you have a duty to protect with radovid's victory he sends the invaders home Roche and sig reuven stay alive thaler and ves emyher dies and pays for his crimes this is the best ending where a tyrant pays for his crimes. with radovid's victory the north is free of nilfgaard and my friends are alive geralt from the books would never help in the murder of kings i also don't like slavery the north has its freedom even with the prejudices

[Dorfo]

the game also seems to want to force people to like nilfgaard just because they don't burn non-humans and they themselves caused the extinction of elves