is Euphoria still a best build

[icbxtc]

Hi all,
I would like to know if the euphoria build still the best build after next gen patch update, if not, what other build suggested?

thanks

[felixpoop]

Your own

[Alexis Machine]

Originally posted by icbxtc:

Hi all,
I would like to know if the euphoria build still the best build after next gen patch update, if not, what other build suggested?

thanks

It is still an extremely good mutation and my favorite one, but the way toxicity is now handled tones it down a full notch (and it's for the better, imho): you can no longer raise your toxicity level to 100% without taking damage, 80% is now the safety threshold. This results in a more reasoned approach to euphoria: you can still gulp down all the decoctions and potions you can to maximize bonuses to attack power and signs, but this way you'll be taking damage from high toxicity during the fight and for a long time after it's over, and won't be able to use White Raffard or Swallow. Alternatively, you can opt for a more cautious strategy, trying to keep toxicity below 80%. In both cases, beware kikimore: previously, an euphoria boosted Geralt built to withstand high toxicity basically turned into the Incredible Hulk while fighting them, now they are a serious threat.

[JujuManiac]

I killed Imlerith with one fully charged heavy attack, so yeah it is absolutely crazy. (Level 100, New Game+, Death March) Get to the enemy, start whirling or rening and everything that you hit just dies.

You can be under 4 decoctions the whole time, so as Geralt I didn't die once yet (already after Kaer Morhan Wild Hunt and Imlerith fight). It is absolutely like playing on story mode, but it takes some Decoction Management and Skill Switching to get the most out of it.

The only gripe is that Ciri is a pain to play on Death March in some sequences.

If you want to check it out, look up "Witcher 3 OP Build with Rend, Whirl and Tanking Hits!" from Phoenix237 on youtube. It is absolutely crazy and I can't imagine ANY other build even coming close to this damage AND tanking monster.

[Alexis Machine]

Originally posted by JujuManiac:

You can be under 4 decoctions the whole time, so as Geralt I didn't die once yet (already after Kaer Morhan Wild Hunt and Imlerith fight). It is absolutely like playing on story mode, but it takes some Decoction Management and Skill Switching to get the most out of it.

Keep in mind that this can no longer be safely done in Next Gen; with the safety thresold now at 80% toxicity, having 4 decoctions active in a major, LONG fight could result in death from DoT, since even with the full Legendary Manticore Armor and the Metabolic Control perk the four decoctions alone would raise toxicity to 81%; the good thing is that at least the aforementioned build would allow use of White Raffard or Swallow (no more than 1 WR or two Swallows). That said, Euphoria remains an excellent mutation nonetheless.

[icbxtc]

thanks all, which armor set would be fit for this build? I was thinking if getting this set will go well with feline gear, that's my choice for now

[You Touched My Tralala]

Metamorphosis is now my favorite mutation. All it requires to activate in full force is two or three bombs, or if you are in close quarters you can drink crit amplifying potion and hit couples of times to get the buffs

[icbxtc]

I saw the video too that Meta is the new Euphoria, does it need a specific armor set for particular school or no? that video showing the guy used the ursine/bear set, Im wondering if I can use that build with feline/cat set

[FakeSympathy]

It's certainly better than second life.

For those of you who don't feel like looking this up, when the vitality reaches 0, you become invulnerable and recover all of them. You get an unbreakable quen shielding for a brief time until you recover to 100%. 3 min cooldown. So I started new game plus and invested lots of skill points and lots of greater mutagens to get it

You might be thinking I'm having a blast with not being able to die, right? Sounds dandy, right? Well, I personally found there's a huge problem with this mutation.

You see, when you go into the healing animation you get grounded, and can't move. After your vitality reaches the full about, there's a brief time frame where the quen shield goes off while you are still rooted to the ground. This may not sound like a big deal at first, but when you are going agest enemies that do multiple attacks, surrounded by multiple enemies, you are forced to take all that damage. And let me tell you, the damage you can take in that short time frame can almost drain your entire vitality, if not kill you. This makes the mutation wortless.

Seriously, I died to the pack of wolves. WOLVES. And don't even get me started on some of the bosses. A boss with beat me to 0 vitality, second life kicks in, and when it's full, the boss gets to do unfair amount of damages on me while I'm completely immobile! You have no idea how much second life made the final boss fight more difficult than it should've been.

[ImHelping]

Even if it was nerfed, It probably still works better than the horror stories I've read in passing about things just generally being immune to everything sign once the levels get high enough in NG+

"What do you mean the enemy listed as weak to a sign, with 100% sign trigger chance, and 2,000,000 exaggerated for comedy sign intensity, is still resisting the effect entirely?"

This is probably why people keep calling potions buffs overpowered regardless of how strong it is. Enemy can't numbers go up enough to invalidate you making YOUR numbers go up.

Even with the horror story above about "Second life just shows off the enemy stunlocking you to death with your zero polish recovery animation" I am sure someone is already preparing to call it overpowered because it saved them from a pantsless deserter armed with a pitchfork one time.

[You Touched My Tralala]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Even if it was nerfed, It probably still works better than the horror stories I've read in passing about things just generally being immune to everything sign once the levels get high enough in NG+

"What do you mean the enemy listed as weak to a sign, with 100% sign trigger chance, and 2,000,000 exaggerated for comedy sign intensity, is still resisting the effect entirely?"

This is probably why people keep calling potions buffs overpowered regardless of how strong it is. Enemy can't numbers go up enough to invalidate you making YOUR numbers go up.

Even with the horror story above about "Second life just shows off the enemy stunlocking you to death with your zero polish recovery animation" I am sure someone is already preparing to call it overpowered because it saved them from a pantsless deserter armed with a pitchfork one time.

surely it wouldn't be Gaetan I bet

[You Touched My Tralala]

Originally posted by icbxtc:

I saw the video too that Meta is the new Euphoria, does it need a specific armor set for particular school or no? that video showing the guy used the ursine/bear set, Im wondering if I can use that build with feline/cat set

I dunno as it looks for me, any kind of armour would work. Obviously one which gives you most critical effects per second in battle would yield best performance but since the rebalance amount of skill/item builds to gain maximum criticals is vast. I myself run in cat school gear with legendary swords with *just not enough* vitality and armor anyhow with thought out preparations any fight goes rather smooth and well (except times when some bandit/wolf/nekker appears from nowhere and hits from behind)

[Alexis Machine]

Originally posted by icbxtc:

thanks all, which armor set would be fit for this build? I was thinking if getting this set will go well with feline gear, that's my choice for now

Euphoria works well with all armors, but the best is the manticore set, because it grants a significant bonus to maximum toxicity. You can further improve it with the Metabolic Control perk. This build will allow you to take full advantage of the power of Euphoria.