I just can't decide - Olgierd or Gaunter O Dimm?

[Trondheim]

Olgierd is a criminal scum. However, Gaunter is basically Satan. Should i let Gaunter rekt him? Nobody forced Olgierd to make a deal with O Dim, so i kinda think he deserves what he got. Am i wrong?

[h@YLey11*K*]

I did both ... but choose to sacrifice Olgierd for that ...best horse saddle in the game that comes with a black aura and axi on enemies unlike the iris sword which becomes less viable later ..

[Bruce Wayne]

If that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane looking saddle that makes roach look sick didn't exist, i would've happily saved olgierd but man...i'll choose that saddle over olgierd & his sword anyday, feels like ♥♥♥♥ to see him die cuz i really liked him but i guess in this game, everybody does something for something right? we're all doing it for the loot, this caparison of lament saddle was worth it, may olgierd & his wife rest together.

[v0]

Originally posted by MØ ₭Ɇ₦₩₳Ɏ:

but i guess in this game, everybody does something for something right? we're all doing it for the loo

well actually loot in tw3's underwhelming pretty much universally :/ maybe that's why saddle sticks out for you.

[pure contempt]

Here are my thoughts.

Odimm didn't find Olgierd and offer him a deal, Olgeird became desperate and summoned Odimm to make a deal.


The price of that deal was his brothers life, which Olgierd chose (one of the people he loved had to die, he chose his brother).

He clearly had three wishes, the first was wealth(too late to save his marriage), the second was some form of immortality (with a stone heart added, the third was probably the toad curse.

At some point he made a second deal from what I can tell, three new wishes (the wishes we complete) at the cost of his wife who dies.

Let us also recognize that before any of this Olgeird was a brigand and thug, he is seen washing the blood from his hands in the painting scenes. His wifes family are also seen to have distaste for his occupation which frequently takes him away from Iris.

Then we have what his brother tells us, that they were in fact fighters above all else, and not the chivalry knight type of fighter, the company olgierd currently keep is proof of this, they knew ogleird's brother (olgeird chastises one for having a dirty horse and reminds him of his brothers clean horse thing).

Both brothers were always little more than bandits, the story given shows this over and over. When his life as a bandit failed to make ends meet he began to lose his familys estate and feared losing his wife so he summoned odimm and made a deal which cost him his brothers life and did not save his marriage or estate. He later made a further deal at the cost of his wife and spend the rest of his life from that point with his merry band of thugs causing hell to everyone unlucky enough to be in their path.

i found their "chivalric code" to be a joke, the lord didn't want them there and one of his men killed the lord, so they executed him.. At what point did the house catch fire? That lords daughter is now left without family or home and the best she gets is an execution she doesn't care about.

It is clear they didn't want olgeird and his band at their estate, but we see later what happens when someone refuses hospitality (The man in the barrel whose lord is presumably killed while geralt goes to see iris).

So do I like Odimm? No not in the slightest its clear that like the genies of fairytales he grants wishes in a way that twists the meaning to the point where the wish is not actually fulfilled, yet always claims his return regardless. He is evil, but he did not begin Olgeirds path to evil and he did not approach olgierd with an offer as he did geralt, he was summoned.

Now, here is where we get into murky territory because a lot of people above have absolved Olgeirds actions following his heart turning to stone claiming that since he had no emotion it was odimms fault.

GUESS WHO ELSE DOESN'T HAVE EMOTIONS IN THIS STORY thats right fellas its the character you are playing. Do you see geratt sacrificing people left and right, turning into a bandit summoning devils to make a deal for wealth at the price of yen or triss or ciri?

So, to summarize again, the absolution of Olgeird does not stick nor pass muster. He is a thinking adult that made tragic mistakes but did so of his own will and was clearly an evil SOB long before odimm was summoned.

The decision for me is more basic:

I fight monsters, Odimm is a monster. Olgeird is a human monster. Which monster is capable of more harm? Odimm. However Odimm has helped geralt twice even if not for selfless reasons, and when you ask odimm what or who he is he chooses not to grant your wish and protects you from the hell you are unknowingly opening for yourself.

Overall for the sake of defeating the most powerful demon in the game I side against Odimm but only for this reason, actual analysis of the story in play and the information given shows that you cannot find olgeird redeemable, the only difference is the damage each is capable of.

[Anatolie]

Originally posted by lokust:

Here are my thoughts.

Odimm didn't find Olgierd and offer him a deal, Olgeird became desperate and summoned Odimm to make a deal.


The price of that deal was his brothers life, which Olgierd chose (one of the people he loved had to die, he chose his brother).

He clearly had three wishes, the first was wealth(too late to save his marriage), the second was some form of immortality (with a stone heart added, the third was probably the toad curse.

At some point he made a second deal from what I can tell, three new wishes (the wishes we complete) at the cost of his wife who dies.

Let us also recognize that before any of this Olgeird was a brigand and thug, he is seen washing the blood from his hands in the painting scenes. His wifes family are also seen to have distaste for his occupation which frequently takes him away from Iris.

Then we have what his brother tells us, that they were in fact fighters above all else, and not the chivalry knight type of fighter, the company olgierd currently keep is proof of this, they knew ogleird's brother (olgeird chastises one for having a dirty horse and reminds him of his brothers clean horse thing).

Both brothers were always little more than bandits, the story given shows this over and over. When his life as a bandit failed to make ends meet he began to lose his familys estate and feared losing his wife so he summoned odimm and made a deal which cost him his brothers life and did not save his marriage or estate. He later made a further deal at the cost of his wife and spend the rest of his life from that point with his merry band of thugs causing hell to everyone unlucky enough to be in their path.

i found their "chivalric code" to be a joke, the lord didn't want them there and one of his men killed the lord, so they executed him.. At what point did the house catch fire? That lords daughter is now left without family or home and the best she gets is an execution she doesn't care about.

It is clear they didn't want olgeird and his band at their estate, but we see later what happens when someone refuses hospitality (The man in the barrel whose lord is presumably killed while geralt goes to see iris).

So do I like Odimm? No not in the slightest its clear that like the genies of fairytales he grants wishes in a way that twists the meaning to the point where the wish is not actually fulfilled, yet always claims his return regardless. He is evil, but he did not begin Olgeirds path to evil and he did not approach olgierd with an offer as he did geralt, he was summoned.

Now, here is where we get into murky territory because a lot of people above have absolved Olgeirds actions following his heart turning to stone claiming that since he had no emotion it was odimms fault.

GUESS WHO ELSE DOESN'T HAVE EMOTIONS IN THIS STORY thats right fellas its the character you are playing. Do you see geratt sacrificing people left and right, turning into a bandit summoning devils to make a deal for wealth at the price of yen or triss or ciri?

So, to summarize again, the absolution of Olgeird does not stick nor pass muster. He is a thinking adult that made tragic mistakes but did so of his own will and was clearly an evil SOB long before odimm was summoned.

The decision for me is more basic:

I fight monsters, Odimm is a monster. Olgeird is a human monster. Which monster is capable of more harm? Odimm. However Odimm has helped geralt twice even if not for selfless reasons, and when you ask odimm what or who he is he chooses not to grant your wish and protects you from the hell you are unknowingly opening for yourself.

Overall for the sake of defeating the most powerful demon in the game I side against Odimm but only for this reason, actual analysis of the story in play and the information given shows that you cannot find olgeird redeemable, the only difference is the damage each is capable of.

1. Geralt does have emotions. He just can't show them. U can not judge Olgierd and Geralt the same way.


2. Even if Olgierd had no emotions - he was acting like a thug/bandit because he was one before the whole deal with Odimm. So before and after the thing with Mirror-Man, Olgierd was a "monster" by the judgement of Geralt. 2 Swords - "both for monsters".

3. Worst monster? Bandit-Man or Mirror-Man?

Every time Odimm comes to you - you are about to profit or to go through hell. The second part most of the time as we saw comes to you if you are a bad person or try to sniff info about him, which might lead to innocent people finding how to summon him. (Stay in the circle. Shakeslock, the professor from Oxenfurt, went outside of his CIRCLE of knowledge then pushed his knowledge outside the magic circle by telling Geralt what Geralt should have not known. )
So for me he is closer to neutral than to evil. And Geralt can't make him go away anyway, he can just play a game for the life of a thug, wich will cause Odimm now to have a grudge against Geralt.
HE IS NOT GONE. HE JUST LOST 1 GAME. He WILL be back.
"You are primitive. You think you've defeated me but you are wrong. I can't be killed, I will be back."

Every time Olgierd comes to you - you are in big trouble. You are about to be robbed, killed or something else if he wants it. Anyway nothing good will come from that. And it was so before and after the deal with Odimm. From what we know he always was a bandit and a thug. Now he is a monster not just by Geralt's moral standarts (he was naming ppl monsters in a trailer before the game), but now thx to his deals with magic and demons he is a monster physically too.

So now we have to deal with 2 monsters. One of them is more neutral than evil. The second was from the start of his life more evil by the normal human morality.
Odimm "provided" what Olgierd asked for, even if it was in a twisted way. So by my logic - pay your debts.
Also the only way to make the number of monsters shorter is to side with Odimm. Olgierd is dead and Odimm is not gonna come after you. Just by logic the only way to cause less harm to the world is to side with Odimm.


Evil comes in many forms, but the one form that I see again and again in humans is the "It is not me, this is just my childhood/environment/other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to shift the blame from himself to other factors."
And we do that all the time even for others. Like people trying to see good in Olgierd and shift the blame on Odimm. Olgierd was never a good guy. He also knew he was dealing with dangerous creatures. Free Olgierd? So now he is going free. He either will become who he was before the deal or will be killed by one of his many enemies/people who's life he messed up. Also now Odimm will try to get back at you for messing with his deals and knowing too much. Great.
Odimm does none of this "It is not me, it is someone else's fault" ♥♥♥♥. He is who he is. He does what he does. From what we see - he is on you only if you are being a bad person or getting involved in things you should not be. So from my point of view we have way more reasons to not be on Olgierd's side.

[YamaKami]

Olgierd is a D-bag. Nothing he did in his life was even remotely decent. Thus he made his own bed, so he can lie in it (dead) IMO. I wouldn't say I sided with Gaunter O Dimm either by not helping Olgierd, just had to pay my dues to get that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ brand off my mug. I never asked for anything further from O Dimm either. I walked away from that whole ♥♥♥♥ show with my pride intact.

Originally posted by sidewinder_G:

Olgierd got cursed with unlife and not being able to feel. Got his wife cursed, his family, his wife's family.

Yeah, I'd say he's paid his dues.

Plus, siding with Gaunter ? That's a big NO, no matter the circumstance.

I'd say that's karma in a nutshell rather. In fact he was lucky to not have to feel, or guilt and remorse would have been top of list. As far as what he should have been feeling. Also not helping either is not the same as picking the other side. Those two bastards in their own rights deserve special places in hell. They made a deal with one another, and I was just witness to it concluding. Took nothing from O Dimm and went on my way.

@ T., ...and No he is not gray, you're insinuating a guy that can stop time and kill some random person just for interrupting him is gray? He's clearly evil, and Olegierd is over the line himself too.

[Anatolie]

Originally posted by YamaKami:

Olgierd is a D-bag. Nothing he did in his life was even remotely decent. Thus he made his own bed, so he can lie in it (dead) IMO. I wouldn't say I sided with Gaunter O Dimm either by not helping Olgierd, just had to pay my dues to get that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ brand off my mug. I never asked for anything further from O Dimm either. I walked away from that whole ♥♥♥♥ show with my pride intact.

Originally posted by sidewinder_G:

Olgierd got cursed with unlife and not being able to feel. Got his wife cursed, his family, his wife's family.

Yeah, I'd say he's paid his dues.

Plus, siding with Gaunter ? That's a big NO, no matter the circumstance.

I'd say that's karma in a nutshell rather. In fact he was lucky to not have to feel, or guilt and remorse would have been top of list. As far as what he should have been feeling. Also not helping either is not the same as picking the other side. Those two bastards in their own rights deserve special places in hell. They made a deal with one another, and I was just witness to it concluding. Took nothing from O Dimm and went on my way.

@ T., ...and No he is not gray, you're insinuating a guy that can stop time and kill some random person just for interrupting him is gray? He's clearly evil, and Olegierd is over the line himself too.

That does not make him evil. By the standards of our kind the drunk is trash. By standards of our kind Olgierd is a D-Bag and was it even loooooong before O´Dimm. By standards of our kind O´Dimm is evil as are the vampires in the Blood and Wine DLC.


In fact all of them just do their own thing. I did not like both of them. I am able to make just one of them go away forever, and that is not O´Dimm.

O´Dimm just does play his little game, I enjoy it. Yes, I brought Olgierd "the house" without the papers in them, as he did not ask for the contents of the box specifically. If you make me do stupid ♥♥♥♥ - be sure that you are specific in what you want, or I will ♥♥♥♥ with you.


If I was O´Dimm, for me wealth, immortality and other things what Olgierd wanted to get from O´Dimm would be considered stupid ♥♥♥♥. Like you get to the level of magic where u can summon the Mirror-Man himself....and you want to get rich fast like any other trashbag bandit from the road. Bruh.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

I always go for Olgierd. He'd committed many evils so I can understand why dislike him. But I believe he's a misunderstood character, who did what he thought was right, not knowing that this will only add to his miseries. So I decided that he deserved a second chance to amend.

[YamaKami]

Originally posted by Light Yagami:

I always go for Olgierd. He'd committed many evils so I can understand why dislike him. But I believe he's a misunderstood character, who did what he thought was right, not knowing that this will only add to his miseries. So I decided that he deserved a second chance to amend.

He was a bandit despite having noble status. His family fell and he became all the worse of a bandit. He's not misunderstood he's just a ♥♥♥♥. Then he tried to get rich quick through scheming and deals with "the devil" (O'Dimm), Which backfired becasue if anything Karma's a ♥♥♥♥♥. He doesn't deserve any empathy, just a painful death. And he was granted a swift one via O'Dimm, so he got off easy IMO.

[pure contempt]

Originally posted by Light Yagami:

I always go for Olgierd. He'd committed many evils so I can understand why dislike him. But I believe he's a misunderstood character, who did what he thought was right, not knowing that this will only add to his miseries. So I decided that he deserved a second chance to amend.

I would argue he knew exactly what he was doing, he read about odimm in the flashbacks we see when doing the rose mission and he turns a shade of grey as Iris notes and feels ill and goes inside while she continues to paint.

It is also hinted that his family had ties to strange gods, if when you arrive you investigate the back garden with the caretaker there are 2 statues, one is almost destroyed after someone tried to remove it and the other Geralt remarks is a deity of some.

If you also remember when you first meet olgierd he is looking at a similar statue of a naked woman and he destroys it for unknown reasons. I would guess that there is a hidden backstory to his knowledge of the mirror man that has some kind of relation to these statues.

Regardless of that, he studied the books of how to summon odimm as well as how to craft a contract that he felt would defeat odimm (we shall meet on the moon after a third party completes your duty of 3 wishes).

There are quite a few indicators that Olgierd knew what he was doing but just made mistakes that odimm exploited.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Originally posted by lokust:

Originally posted by Light Yagami:

I always go for Olgierd. He'd committed many evils so I can understand why dislike him. But I believe he's a misunderstood character, who did what he thought was right, not knowing that this will only add to his miseries. So I decided that he deserved a second chance to amend.

I would argue he knew exactly what he was doing, he read about odimm in the flashbacks we see when doing the rose mission and he turns a shade of grey as Iris notes and feels ill and goes inside while she continues to paint.

It is also hinted that his family had ties to strange gods, if when you arrive you investigate the back garden with the caretaker there are 2 statues, one is almost destroyed after someone tried to remove it and the other Geralt remarks is a deity of some.

If you also remember when you first meet olgierd he is looking at a similar statue of a naked woman and he destroys it for unknown reasons. I would guess that there is a hidden backstory to his knowledge of the mirror man that has some kind of relation to these statues.

Regardless of that, he studied the books of how to summon odimm as well as how to craft a contract that he felt would defeat odimm (we shall meet on the moon after a third party completes your duty of 3 wishes).

There are quite a few indicators that Olgierd knew what he was doing but just made mistakes that odimm exploited.

Indeed, I was saying more along the lines of what tailed behind his wishes though.

[pure contempt]

Originally posted by Light Yagami:

Originally posted by lokust:

I would argue he knew exactly what he was doing, he read about odimm in the flashbacks we see when doing the rose mission and he turns a shade of grey as Iris notes and feels ill and goes inside while she continues to paint.

It is also hinted that his family had ties to strange gods, if when you arrive you investigate the back garden with the caretaker there are 2 statues, one is almost destroyed after someone tried to remove it and the other Geralt remarks is a deity of some.

If you also remember when you first meet olgierd he is looking at a similar statue of a naked woman and he destroys it for unknown reasons. I would guess that there is a hidden backstory to his knowledge of the mirror man that has some kind of relation to these statues.

Regardless of that, he studied the books of how to summon odimm as well as how to craft a contract that he felt would defeat odimm (we shall meet on the moon after a third party completes your duty of 3 wishes).

There are quite a few indicators that Olgierd knew what he was doing but just made mistakes that odimm exploited.

Indeed, I was saying more along the lines of what tailed behind his wishes though.

In a lot of ways I think odimm is like a genie.

The one in the last wish literally granted the mages wish by transporting only half the ship off to a mountain top, the mage was saved until the bookcase fell over and crushed his skull.

The professor we see in the HoS quests literally dies by almost the same cause, a bookcase fell and while Geralt stopped it he professor cracked his skull falling over.

In that light he might be more grey than I gave him credit, he does grant wishes but your wish is often not specific enough to end well.

On the other hand if you spend too much time learning about him you might wind up suffering the same fate as the professor, since if you know odimms limits (ie the answer to his mirror game for example) you are a threat.

I am more torn than I was on my earlier post on this.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Originally posted by lokust:

Originally posted by Light Yagami:

Indeed, I was saying more along the lines of what tailed behind his wishes though.

In a lot of ways I think odimm is like a genie.

The one in the last wish literally granted the mages wish by transporting only half the ship off to a mountain top, the mage was saved until the bookcase fell over and crushed his skull.

The professor we see in the HoS quests literally dies by almost the same cause, a bookcase fell and while Geralt stopped it he professor cracked his skull falling over.

In that light he might be more grey than I gave him credit, he does grant wishes but your wish is often not specific enough to end well.

On the other hand if you spend too much time learning about him you might wind up suffering the same fate as the professor, since if you know odimms limits (ie the answer to his mirror game for example) you are a threat.

I am more torn than I was on my earlier post on this.

In a way, yeah, but I think he's more mischievous than a djinn actually. Given how he appears as an everyday old man but he may very well be the last guy you talk to. He was really an intriguing character in that aspect, but for all the hype, his mirror game was way too easy IMO. It seemed as if the game was ruled by a subconscious fear of losing than actual difficulty (or that may very well be the case).

[kitt]

Oldgierd gave his "Soul" to a Demon and he knew what that means, not O'Dimms fault that Olgierd didn't understand the meaning of the Words used to sign the Pact.
I went with O'Dimm, also because Olgierd got on my nerves

[Anatolie]

Originally posted by lokust:

Originally posted by Light Yagami:

Indeed, I was saying more along the lines of what tailed behind his wishes though.

In a lot of ways I think odimm is like a genie.

The one in the last wish literally granted the mages wish by transporting only half the ship off to a mountain top, the mage was saved until the bookcase fell over and crushed his skull.

The professor we see in the HoS quests literally dies by almost the same cause, a bookcase fell and while Geralt stopped it he professor cracked his skull falling over.

In that light he might be more grey than I gave him credit, he does grant wishes but your wish is often not specific enough to end well.

On the other hand if you spend too much time learning about him you might wind up suffering the same fate as the professor, since if you know odimms limits (ie the answer to his mirror game for example) you are a threat.

I am more torn than I was on my earlier post on this.

I think the deal with the professor was that he needed to stay in his circle of knowledge. Then he was told to keep his head/knowledge in the circle....but no, he shared the information about O'Dimm with Geralt, thus breaking the deal that he was not allowed to get out of the circle.
In a way O'Dimm punishes for trying to bite more than u can chew.

We live our lives in a expanding circle of knowledge and experience. Sometimes you get knowledge or information that is just outside of your safe circle. If the info/wise words are too high for you to fully understand them - you will just be misguided and do stupid stuff. If it is some secret info you can get killed. For exaple...do you really want to know how Epstein managed to hang himself even tho he is taller than the bed that he did hang himself from and managed to break his neck while screaming for a while with no inmates or guards in sight...i dont think so.
Stay in the circle. Dont try to reach for thing that are not yet in your circle, or someone from outside may ♥♥♥♥ you up.