3 easter eggs that Witcher-fanbase still don't know of

[Raudo Testoman]

I gave up few years back trying to convice people or have a decent conversation around some of these subjects. Some people are just too set in their way of seeing how Witcher-saga should play out.
But this thread gets regularly necroed and this forum doesn't seem to have any sort of moderation. So i've decided to rewrite the whole original post because it simply wasn't, well, good enough.

Im not going to post any screenshots or quotes from the books. You'll simply have to keep these things in the back of your head when you are wading through the saga once more.


First easter egg: Triss Merigold is dead.

Andrzej Sapkowski made fools of his readers. There never was Triss Merigold of Maribor in the whole saga. And i mean all the eight books and three games. Lytta Neyd has been impersonating Triss the whole time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/9fzm57/the_greatest_easter_egg_ever_the_identity_of/
I did write about this on Reddit few years back, but eventually the topic was closed due inactivity.

So basicly what happened is that on the Sodden Hill Triss Merigold of Maribor exploded into unrecognizable pieces. Lytta Neyd was burned so badly that she could not be recognized either. So a mistake was made by the Sodden healers, Coral was restored with Triss Merigolds appearance.
The reason why she never corrected this mistake is that she fell in love with Geralt during the Season of Storms book and simply wanted another chance.
Season of Storms takes place between 1st and 2nd book. If you read Season of Storms after Lady of the Lake, you are doing it wrong.



Second easter egg: Geralt and Cirilla slept together during The Witcher 3

This is what original post was about and it gets some people really upset. Alot of fans see Geralt and Ciri in a father-daughter relationship and want nothing to do with this idea.

But there is a single reason for this intercourse: Sapkowski wrote during A Question of Price-story that virgins cannot control the Elder Blood power.

Princess Pavetta during her birthday party lost conrol of her power.
Cirilla during the battle of Kaer Morhen lost control of her power when Vesemir died.

By the way, Pavetta was unable to control her power but was also pregnant as it was later in the book revealed. This would seem to null my argument but it doesn't. I will tell you about Pavetta's pregnancy in the 3rd easter egg.

First Sapkowski writes on his book that virgins cannot control the power but few pages later he writes that the girl is pregnant. This is deliberate from Sapkowski, he begins building a easter egg here.
Also i doubt that there is an author in the world who would make this kind of mistake.

So, Cirilla lost control of her power when Vesemir died. But at the end of the W3: Wild Hunt she uses her Power of the Elder Blood to end the White Frost. This means that she lost her virginity after the battle of Kaer Morhen.
It happened after the fight with Crones and Imlerith, before returning to Novigrad. Pay attention to the travel time from Bald Mountain back to Novigrad when playing the game. It is 7 days. It is here where the two had their quality time.

The dialog choices during the W3 only determines her survival, wether of not she comes back from the White Frost.
Her ability to control the Elder Blood is solved by other means. And player cannot affect this. She always gains control of her power. No matter of the player choices.



Third easter egg: Triumvirate theory - Emhyr's exile years and Pavetta's pregnancy

If you go to Witcher-wiki and try to search info on Emhyr's exile years, you'll find nothing. This is where wiki hits complete blank. But it is actually possible to figure out where he was, with whom and what he did during this time. You'll just have to sherlock the ♥♥♥♥ out of the saga.

https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

1228 Emhyr was exiled when he was 13 years old
1237 next time he is seen in Cintran forest, demanding Law of Suprise from King Roegner
1252 he appears at Pavetta's party demanding her hand

He was exiled around 24 years. And let me tell you that he did not roam around forests.


To get this easter egg going you'll have to use simple logic. Alot of this easter egg is about using deductions and logic in fact. So....

Emhyr is exiled and cursed, what would he do?
Being cursed, he would seek help from powerful mage.
Being exiled monarch, he would seek asylum from a nation friendly to Nilfgaard.

Witcher-saga has a nation friendly towards Nilfgaard and the leader of this nation is also powerful mage. Ring a bell?

Emhyr did not roam around forests when he was exiled, he immediately sought asylum from Dol Blathanna, from Francesca Findabairs court. If he had any sort of curse on him, im sure Findabair lifted it.

Now we have to make a wild assumption. An assumption that Francesca Findabair introduced Ithlinne's Prophecy to Emhyr, who was teenager at the time. Maybe 14 or 15.
Why would she do this? For two reasons. First, the Elder Blood was already mixed to the human genes. Second, she recognized Emhyr becoming in the future the most powerful man in the world.
So she simply saw Emhyr as a "savior" of the Ithlinne's Prophecy. So from this point forward, when Emhyr was teenager, all he did was towards fulfilling the Prophecy in his own imperial bloodline.


But now Emhyr and Francesca have two problems:
First, the only bearer of the Gene is Queen Calanthe. So marriage between Emhyr and Calanthe is simply impossible.
Second, Emhyr is exiled teenager and Francesca is queen of the Elves, so neither can go meddling around Cintran court.

The solution to the second problem is to have someone who can go meddling around human courts. And this is when i believe Francesca introduced Yennefer to teenager Emhyr. This is when the Triumvirate is formed. Emhyr, Yennefer and Francesca. For the purpose of fulfilling Ithlinne's Prophecy in Emhyr's bloodline.

The solution to the first problem is simply to wait for Calanthe and Roegner to have offspring. Now you begin to understand why Emhyr was exiled for so long. First Triumvirate had to wait for 9 years for Calanthe to get pregnant and then another 15 years so that Emhyr could go demand Pavetta's hand.

The Law of Suprise between Emhyr and Pavetta was obviously fake. Francesca and Yennefer, with their magic, cause Roegner accident and teleport Emhyr to Cintra. Probably caused Calanthe's labour too. And so you have fake Law of Suprice between Emhyr and Pavetta.
Or would you rather believe that Emhyr spent 24 years roaming randomly around forests, relying on blind luck to have his curse lifted? The whole curse is plain copy of Cinderella story anyway.

Triumvirate knew that Calanthe would oppose Emhyrs claim for Pavetta's hand. So with Yennefer's and Francesca's help, Emhyr begin courting Pavetta a year before her 15th birthday.
Triumvirate could not take any risks however, and so they ended up inseminating Pavetta.
I know this sounds weird, but this is the logical way how Pavetta was both pregnant and unable to control her Power. She never had an intercourse but yet was pregnant.

And it is Sapkowski's own writing that both abortions and insemination is possible in the Witcher lore. Insemination was what Vilgefortz was planning to do to Cirilla after he captured her.

Right after Emhyr and Pavetta were married, he begin to prepare his return to Nilfgaard. Preparations taking for few years. But because there wasn't real connection between Emhyr and Pavetta, she grew distrusful towards Emhyr. And at critical moment Triumvirate's plan failed when Pavetta send Cirilla away from the ship which was supposed to carry them to Nilfgaard.
And so Emhyr had to wage several wars against the Norther Realms. To get his hands on the bearer of the Elder Gene.
Of course the secondary goal of the wars was unify all the kingdoms and then plant Cirilla on the throne.



Thats it, thats all i have to say.
It is very hard to figure out these easter eggs because they span on the whole saga. And you have to do Sherlock or Poirot class brainstretching too.

PS.
Over the course of years while this topic has been running, i've seen every possible insult people on the internet can muster. So don't bother with them if you don't have anything else to say.

[Vashra]

Publicado originalmente por Ajna Kid:

Publicado originalmente por melgibson❤️no.1FAN😍👌:

Nice rebuttal

Sorry if I don't want to convince a pedophile that pedophilia is wrong as if I were training a dog

Publicado originalmente por melgibson❤️no.1FAN😍👌:

Publicado originalmente por Ajna Kid:

Sorry if I don't want to convince a pedophile that pedophilia is wrong as if I were training a dog

Ciri is 21 in Witcher 3, I think the word you're looking for is "incest", but since Geralt and Ciri aren't even blood-related, that wouldn't apply either. You're mad bro.

Technically correct, but as someone with adopted and step children with whom I share *zero* blood, lemme just say there's never a point where a healthy mind goes from "That's muh kid...my now grown kid..." to "hmmmm potential lover."

So. much. no.

Geralt *raised* Ciri. That's what makes the difference. Not the age gap between them, and not some custom. He took up the role of father to her. He wasn't just her teacher or her guardian. She was the only "child" he could ever have (I mean...he could adopt more, theoretically, but he wasn't *having* or fathering any).

To be frank, if this is where the series was headed, the *author* would have said something by now. It's not like he's never been interviewed, and the books series is pretty capped off...to the point that book 8 is actually a prequel set either just before or just after book 2 (I can't remember which and I'm too lazy to google it right now).

I don't see this as some future thing the author is going to reveal. Honestly it reminds me more of all those folks trying to figure out what Mr. Nibbles was about...or the whole Paul-Walrus "conspiracy" in Beatles' song lyrics (people over 40, help the people under 40 google that one).

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And as for all the crap about why Triss has red hair:

In the books she's described as having "chestnut RED" hair and "cornflower blue" eyes.

Cornflowers stay one very bright shade of blue for their whole life cycle till they shrivel and die, so those are easily referenced. But, sadly, chestnuts have several species and you can find them anywhere from a color not too far from Video Game Triss(tm) hair all the way to the "where's the red? There should be SOME red?" of the actress in the Netflix series.

There are a LOT of threads arguing over how red the red's supposed to be all over the net. So whatever. I really think "sales stats show that men like redheads" is much more likely than "Triss is really Coral but only the author, this loon with his cook rant, and CDPR have figured it out." (Play Scooby Doo theme?)

Occum's razor and all that.

[Valfi]

Both of your theories are interesting. But you are forcing them to happen so much. The human mind sees what it wants to see.

[Drakzen]

I get the feeling this guy really wanted to bang his own kid and this theory is just him telling his sick and twisted desires and trying to get support.

Get help, like a whole lot of it.

[Marty]

So, I found this because it was making me curious as well. I'm into the 3rd act on my first play-through, and to my mind there is something a *little* bit over the normal boundaries in their relationship. Significant looks and tension in the main.

I've trawled the 21-odd pages of replies here (ugh, what a fetid sewer of ad hominem argument).

Few things to add:

Nobody here, in the multiple year threadnaught has yet considered that it ('feelings') may exist, but they may not be reciprocated, or acted upon.

Puppy love, crushes, and wistful unrealistic, unrequited fantasies are a thing.

Other people here have commented, with reference to the books, along the lines of "Ciri decided that she belonged exclusively to Geralt". Doesn't mean he would *ever* explicitly acknowledge it, or do anything about it.

It'd normally a bit of a stretch to consider that the writers and developers may have put this kind of thing in, or have the subtlety to carry it off with scalpel finesse rather than a sledgehammer, but this game is a masterpiece. I could well imagine that it was considered in the back story and scripting, and facial expressions.

Jesus Christ, Geralt has a moral responsibility to this woman (biological daughter or no, and hotness aside); to treat her with care and help her grow. During this game your choices in how you finish out Ciri's growth towards adulthood; whether you develop her self confidence independence, are intrinsic in determining if she lives or dies.

In that vein, what greater responsibility (or, in the context of the games narrative; choice of dialogue options leading to cut scenes) would Geralt have than to be mindful of Ciri's feelings, but not use that crush to predate upon her. The power dynamics of age disparity and dominance in care-giving roles are why this is frowned upon, aside from the icky genetic outcomes.

There is no place in the arc of this story for a romance; To live, Ciri needs to be free of her past. And that includes Geralt.

(And hey, not having yet seen if Ciri picks up the longevity of witchers on the story path I'm on, I'm assuming she doesn't, so he's likely to have to watch her age and die before him. Why do you think Geralt only has relationships with sorceresses?)

Go write fanfic about Ciri coming home to him later, if you really must.

[Ozone]

I must admit - it's been long since I read the books and when I did , they were even fan translations so might have missed some things, so I will try to be as superficial as possible - wasn't Season of Storms published way after the games (which try to take on a non-canon "sequel" story) started being published, meaning that this particular book's story shouldn't be taking into consideration when discussing the games?

Weren't there other details that conflicted with the plot the game presents? It's not like Sapkowski was in close touch with CDPR with the writing, as GRRM was with HBO, so that "everything fits with his vision".

I think you're looking too much into things, and you are bound to find things which are not there. I did not spend much time analyzing the post but some things really don't make sense

"Pavetta and Ciri both lose control of the Power for the same reason. They are still virgins."

Isn't Pavetta pregnant when she loses her power like Ciri did?

"Ever given any thought to this? At Kaer Morhen Avallac'h is trying to teach Ciri to control her abilities, but after they return to Novigrad this training is no longer mentioned. Its like the problem no longer exists."

Perhaps the experience he went through at Kaer Morhen had a much bigger impact on her, than you give credit for.

"Ciri uses her Elder Blood Power to end the White Frost at the end of the Witcher 3"

We don't really know much about how this happens and how she managed to do it. You just assume that it was because of the "deed" and her "training being finalized". We don't know. if she managed to control her power in the end fully, or something else was required. We know that she comes back or not (we don't even know if she dies in the latter situation, but it's likely).

"Pavetta was both virgin and pregnant at same time. There is one more secret in the books. Andrzej Sapkowski is grand making secrets like this."

Oh well, again, I wouldn't expect CDPR to be in on this honestly.

[Someone]

This thread remind me of a blog I stumbled upon, talking about Avallac'h. I can't remember correctly but the owner of that blog tried very hard to force upon the readers the ideas that: 1- Avallac'h in game is a wraith, not a real elf. 2- Avallac'h and Gaunter O'dimm is one. 3- Ciri tried to ra-pe Avallac'h. 4- Avallac'h is gay, or at least bi and has a crush on Geralt... ect... I can't remember everything because the writing style is very chaos and hard to follow but the writer tried to make the readers believe that there are evidence for these claims in the book and ingame, even talk about the chapter and page where you can find it, sound very convincing. But I read again the chapter and replayed the quest they talked about and there is no thing like the blogger said.

For example to support the point "Avallac'h is a wraith", the blogger said you can see his skeleton remain ingame at the foot of Lara's "grave" "clutching the lamp" in the quest where you help Keira get the lamp. I replayed that quest and there is no skeleton. Same for some other "prove" in the book, so after a few simple checks, I conclude that that blog is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

And the things that blogger claim is very, very disturbing, like... a porno fanfic. For example the blogger claim in the book there is a scene where Avallac'h and Auberon, high on fisstech, wanted to gangbang Ciri. Then Ciri, had sex, or rather ra-pe Avallac'h in public because she just want a baby as soon as possible and get the ♥♥♥♥ out of the elven world.

Details in the books and games are over analyzed, twisted and mixed with false to form a story fit the writer's idea.

[taylanylcn]

Somebody remind him that games are canon so the conversation about Yennefer studying Elder Blood between Ciri and Yen never happened which makes Yen making Pavetta pregnant is impossible. Pavetta f***** Duny and Ciri is their daughter.

[JoenneL]

FREAKLY DISGUSTING .. HOW COULD YOU COME UP WITH THIS IDEA... GERALT SEE HER AS A DAUGHTER .. AND CIRI SAW HIM AS A FATHER ... THIS IS SOME SICKO CONSPIRACY ... YOU DISGUST ME.. EEEEWWW YUCK..

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Then stop bumping this thread, over and over.

[Literal AIDs]

LOL THIS IS CANON

[gokulguru]

Stop bumping this disgusting thread ffs.

[ACEsino]

Someone needs to check this mans harddrive

[DonWasyl]

wow

[Gorgeous Rocco]

I dont get all this "disgusting - omg - incest - sick - wtf " reactions, feels like this is a thread where only 13 year olds participate who dont understand much about life and had 0 girlfriends.
First and FOREMOST, there's no blood relation between Geralt and Ciri of any kind ! zero, nada, nothing, let's be real for a sec, they're compatible as any.
Secondly, Geralt raised her when she was a child, then saw her again after years (giant time gap) when she's a woman or young lady.
If the bad reactions are there because of the age gap, think about it: Geralt lives a lot of years as a witcher, much more than normal humans. He (and you, the audience) don't have any problems when you see him shagging left and right, young lases, strumpets etc, a lot of them probably same age as ciri. And as time passes, he'll grow older but still look young-er, therefore he'll still shag women in their 20s and then the age gap is gonna be even bigger.
And thirdly, a bit about women psychology. Girls search qualities in men they saw in their fathers. Physical traits as well. In other words, (it's gonna sound weird) if you subconsciously remind her of her father, she'll probably be into you.
Now, to the matter at hand, Geralt was the father figure when she was young, she admires everything about him, yet, he's not her real father. He's just a guy who lives a really long time and doesn't change physically much. He fits the bill perfectly.
You can tell there's moments of sexual tension between them throughout the game, more coming from Ciri, than him. It's funny that you can tell that from a game, but all the more credit to what a masterpiece they've created.

[bgray9054]

Publicado originalmente por Hadrian Marlowe:

Then stop bumping this thread, over and over.

I think the funniest thing at this point is all the crying from people who clearly aren't interested in some of the opinions here, but don't seem to realize they can just click "unsubscribe" and all the "bad words" go away...