3 easter eggs that Witcher-fanbase still don't know of

[Raudo Testoman]

I gave up few years back trying to convice people or have a decent conversation around some of these subjects. Some people are just too set in their way of seeing how Witcher-saga should play out.
But this thread gets regularly necroed and this forum doesn't seem to have any sort of moderation. So i've decided to rewrite the whole original post because it simply wasn't, well, good enough.

Im not going to post any screenshots or quotes from the books. You'll simply have to keep these things in the back of your head when you are wading through the saga once more.


First easter egg: Triss Merigold is dead.

Andrzej Sapkowski made fools of his readers. There never was Triss Merigold of Maribor in the whole saga. And i mean all the eight books and three games. Lytta Neyd has been impersonating Triss the whole time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/9fzm57/the_greatest_easter_egg_ever_the_identity_of/
I did write about this on Reddit few years back, but eventually the topic was closed due inactivity.

So basicly what happened is that on the Sodden Hill Triss Merigold of Maribor exploded into unrecognizable pieces. Lytta Neyd was burned so badly that she could not be recognized either. So a mistake was made by the Sodden healers, Coral was restored with Triss Merigolds appearance.
The reason why she never corrected this mistake is that she fell in love with Geralt during the Season of Storms book and simply wanted another chance.
Season of Storms takes place between 1st and 2nd book. If you read Season of Storms after Lady of the Lake, you are doing it wrong.



Second easter egg: Geralt and Cirilla slept together during The Witcher 3

This is what original post was about and it gets some people really upset. Alot of fans see Geralt and Ciri in a father-daughter relationship and want nothing to do with this idea.

But there is a single reason for this intercourse: Sapkowski wrote during A Question of Price-story that virgins cannot control the Elder Blood power.

Princess Pavetta during her birthday party lost conrol of her power.
Cirilla during the battle of Kaer Morhen lost control of her power when Vesemir died.

By the way, Pavetta was unable to control her power but was also pregnant as it was later in the book revealed. This would seem to null my argument but it doesn't. I will tell you about Pavetta's pregnancy in the 3rd easter egg.

First Sapkowski writes on his book that virgins cannot control the power but few pages later he writes that the girl is pregnant. This is deliberate from Sapkowski, he begins building a easter egg here.
Also i doubt that there is an author in the world who would make this kind of mistake.

So, Cirilla lost control of her power when Vesemir died. But at the end of the W3: Wild Hunt she uses her Power of the Elder Blood to end the White Frost. This means that she lost her virginity after the battle of Kaer Morhen.
It happened after the fight with Crones and Imlerith, before returning to Novigrad. Pay attention to the travel time from Bald Mountain back to Novigrad when playing the game. It is 7 days. It is here where the two had their quality time.

The dialog choices during the W3 only determines her survival, wether of not she comes back from the White Frost.
Her ability to control the Elder Blood is solved by other means. And player cannot affect this. She always gains control of her power. No matter of the player choices.



Third easter egg: Triumvirate theory - Emhyr's exile years and Pavetta's pregnancy

If you go to Witcher-wiki and try to search info on Emhyr's exile years, you'll find nothing. This is where wiki hits complete blank. But it is actually possible to figure out where he was, with whom and what he did during this time. You'll just have to sherlock the ♥♥♥♥ out of the saga.

https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

1228 Emhyr was exiled when he was 13 years old
1237 next time he is seen in Cintran forest, demanding Law of Suprise from King Roegner
1252 he appears at Pavetta's party demanding her hand

He was exiled around 24 years. And let me tell you that he did not roam around forests.


To get this easter egg going you'll have to use simple logic. Alot of this easter egg is about using deductions and logic in fact. So....

Emhyr is exiled and cursed, what would he do?
Being cursed, he would seek help from powerful mage.
Being exiled monarch, he would seek asylum from a nation friendly to Nilfgaard.

Witcher-saga has a nation friendly towards Nilfgaard and the leader of this nation is also powerful mage. Ring a bell?

Emhyr did not roam around forests when he was exiled, he immediately sought asylum from Dol Blathanna, from Francesca Findabairs court. If he had any sort of curse on him, im sure Findabair lifted it.

Now we have to make a wild assumption. An assumption that Francesca Findabair introduced Ithlinne's Prophecy to Emhyr, who was teenager at the time. Maybe 14 or 15.
Why would she do this? For two reasons. First, the Elder Blood was already mixed to the human genes. Second, she recognized Emhyr becoming in the future the most powerful man in the world.
So she simply saw Emhyr as a "savior" of the Ithlinne's Prophecy. So from this point forward, when Emhyr was teenager, all he did was towards fulfilling the Prophecy in his own imperial bloodline.


But now Emhyr and Francesca have two problems:
First, the only bearer of the Gene is Queen Calanthe. So marriage between Emhyr and Calanthe is simply impossible.
Second, Emhyr is exiled teenager and Francesca is queen of the Elves, so neither can go meddling around Cintran court.

The solution to the second problem is to have someone who can go meddling around human courts. And this is when i believe Francesca introduced Yennefer to teenager Emhyr. This is when the Triumvirate is formed. Emhyr, Yennefer and Francesca. For the purpose of fulfilling Ithlinne's Prophecy in Emhyr's bloodline.

The solution to the first problem is simply to wait for Calanthe and Roegner to have offspring. Now you begin to understand why Emhyr was exiled for so long. First Triumvirate had to wait for 9 years for Calanthe to get pregnant and then another 15 years so that Emhyr could go demand Pavetta's hand.

The Law of Suprise between Emhyr and Pavetta was obviously fake. Francesca and Yennefer, with their magic, cause Roegner accident and teleport Emhyr to Cintra. Probably caused Calanthe's labour too. And so you have fake Law of Suprice between Emhyr and Pavetta.
Or would you rather believe that Emhyr spent 24 years roaming randomly around forests, relying on blind luck to have his curse lifted? The whole curse is plain copy of Cinderella story anyway.

Triumvirate knew that Calanthe would oppose Emhyrs claim for Pavetta's hand. So with Yennefer's and Francesca's help, Emhyr begin courting Pavetta a year before her 15th birthday.
Triumvirate could not take any risks however, and so they ended up inseminating Pavetta.
I know this sounds weird, but this is the logical way how Pavetta was both pregnant and unable to control her Power. She never had an intercourse but yet was pregnant.

And it is Sapkowski's own writing that both abortions and insemination is possible in the Witcher lore. Insemination was what Vilgefortz was planning to do to Cirilla after he captured her.

Right after Emhyr and Pavetta were married, he begin to prepare his return to Nilfgaard. Preparations taking for few years. But because there wasn't real connection between Emhyr and Pavetta, she grew distrusful towards Emhyr. And at critical moment Triumvirate's plan failed when Pavetta send Cirilla away from the ship which was supposed to carry them to Nilfgaard.
And so Emhyr had to wage several wars against the Norther Realms. To get his hands on the bearer of the Elder Gene.
Of course the secondary goal of the wars was unify all the kingdoms and then plant Cirilla on the throne.



Thats it, thats all i have to say.
It is very hard to figure out these easter eggs because they span on the whole saga. And you have to do Sherlock or Poirot class brainstretching too.

PS.
Over the course of years while this topic has been running, i've seen every possible insult people on the internet can muster. So don't bother with them if you don't have anything else to say.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Fair enough. If the Coral/Triss theory turns out to be true, I'd be thrilled.

[WTF?]

https://youtu.be/Ka7Q5E76MX4

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Bumped again?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1967087345

[m662]

With regards to the Coral/ Lytta Neyd = Triss theory there is another problem that can not be resolved with the allergy. And that is the personality of Lytta Neyd. She was downright sadistic I find it hard to believe that Lytta would be able to suppress her emotions for that long without having a catfight with Yennefer at the earliest convenience or breaking another persons hand.

But even more troublesome is that regeneration of completely lost organs is near impossible. Only Vilgefortz had suceeded with regards to that partly and years later Philippa Eilhart tried the same but not with any success yet.

And when did Vilgefortz turn his attention towards tissue generation? Well after the battle of Sodden hill during a portal explosion while trying to capture Ciri.

So if regeneration of eyes is a problem how more difficult would it be to recover all arms and legs.

[Literal AIDs]

You have to admit though, the reference to snow white and the 7 dwarves on the isle of mist is pretty convincing. Ciri awakens only when Geralt aka Ciri's true love, embraces her. If Geralt was really just a father figure as everyone seems to believe, the snow white theme would feel out of place. Snow white awakens only when she's kissed by her dad? Lol

[Raudo Testoman]

m662 a écrit :

With regards to the Coral/ Lytta Neyd = Triss theory there is another problem that can not be resolved with the allergy. And that is the personality of Lytta Neyd. She was downright sadistic I find it hard to believe that Lytta would be able to suppress her emotions for that long without having a catfight with Yennefer at the earliest convenience or breaking another persons hand.

But even more troublesome is that regeneration of completely lost organs is near impossible. Only Vilgefortz had suceeded with regards to that partly and years later Philippa Eilhart tried the same but not with any success yet.

And when did Vilgefortz turn his attention towards tissue generation? Well after the battle of Sodden hill during a portal explosion while trying to capture Ciri.

So if regeneration of eyes is a problem how more difficult would it be to recover all arms and legs.

You have misunderstood. Coral survived but with so bad injuries that she could not be recognised.
It was the real Triss Merigold of Maribor who took fireball in the face, failed her saving throw and blew up in bits.

Healers then mistakenly restored Coral with Triss' appearance.

[Daniel Whitman]

Raudo Testoman a écrit :

m662 a écrit :

With regards to the Coral/ Lytta Neyd = Triss theory there is another problem that can not be resolved with the allergy. And that is the personality of Lytta Neyd. She was downright sadistic I find it hard to believe that Lytta would be able to suppress her emotions for that long without having a catfight with Yennefer at the earliest convenience or breaking another persons hand.

But even more troublesome is that regeneration of completely lost organs is near impossible. Only Vilgefortz had suceeded with regards to that partly and years later Philippa Eilhart tried the same but not with any success yet.

And when did Vilgefortz turn his attention towards tissue generation? Well after the battle of Sodden hill during a portal explosion while trying to capture Ciri.

So if regeneration of eyes is a problem how more difficult would it be to recover all arms and legs.

You have misunderstood. Coral survived but with so bad injuries that she could not be recognised.
It was the real Triss Merigold of Maribor who took fireball in the face, failed her saving throw and blew up in bits.

Healers then mistakenly restored Coral with Triss' appearance.

so your saying that the real triss is dead and we have actually coral who just looks like triss?

[Energist]

Ragnarok a écrit :

Just ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Ciri is his adopted child, bruh.

loophole found!

jk



I get it. Ciri is hot. I wanted to see her titties too, but it would have been really awkward as Geralt. Maybe we could have gotten to mess around while playing as her. There was one close opportunity with that village boy who found her, but he got a cold shower in the form of a village raid.

[tarx2004]

hahaha... the autrhor of this thread seems to watch too much stepdads on the hub...

[Vlad 254]

I'm not much impressed with OP's versions of the story but I have to say, for someone whose first language is not English, OP is pretty dang good.

[bgray9054]

Ya I actually just finished a base playthrough of all 3 games recently and I still don't really get that sense with regard to Ciri & Geralt - not saying it's impossible, but I don't think it's likely.

The theory with Triss & Coral though, that intrigues me. Biggest thing for me with that theory is how CDPR made Triss's hair fiery red in W2 & 3 and made her eyes greenish, yet observed tons of other very specific details in the games that acknowledged the lore accurately...getting a core character's appearance so very incorrect seems unlikely to me, so it's definitely the more likely of the two, IMO.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

bgray9054 a écrit :

The theory with Triss & Coral though, that intrigues me. Biggest thing for me with that theory is how CDPR made Triss's hair fiery red in W2 & 3 and made her eyes greenish, yet observed tons of other very specific details in the games that acknowledged the lore accurately...getting a core character's appearance so very incorrect seems unlikely to me, so it's definitely the more likely of the two, IMO.

I looked up his theory and the only results that popped up were the reddit post he'd linked and a thread on ResetEra. Upon further reading however, the latter wasn't an original post, it also linked the former. Sad to know that so little people have made this observation. I really hope its true though.

[Raudo Testoman]

Daniel Whitman a écrit :

Raudo Testoman a écrit :

You have misunderstood. Coral survived but with so bad injuries that she could not be recognised.
It was the real Triss Merigold of Maribor who took fireball in the face, failed her saving throw and blew up in bits.

Healers then mistakenly restored Coral with Triss' appearance.

so your saying that the real triss is dead and we have actually coral who just looks like triss?

https://aijaa.com/idZvfL
Sorceress number 1 takes a fireball in her face and gets liquified. Who was she?
Sorceress number 2 also takes a fireball in her face but miraculously survives. But she could not be recognized either. Who is she?

"Our former appearances returned to us..."
Now who has Triss Merigold's appearance?

https://aijaa.com/hbxnPB

The sorceress who arrives Kaer Morhen at the beginning of the third book has Coral's memories from Season of Storms.
Sapkowski is clever, there never was Triss Merigold in the whole saga.

[iqstow]

woody allen did it, geralt can do it too

[MrOrange]

ceLL a écrit :

this is complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and really disturbing. I hope you are trolling,...
Ciri ist geralts and yens adopted doughter, nothing more. Geralt is not ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up like Emhyr who wanted to marry his own daughter cause of his greater plans. Geralt has no greater plans, he just wants ciri to be happy and live with Yennefer for the rest of their lifes. This was the ending in the books and also the best ending in this game
He is the Protagonist of this whole story and completly normal. So shut up about this awkward ♥♥♥♥.

Exactly, very well said