3 easter eggs that Witcher-fanbase still don't know of

[Raudo Testoman]

I gave up few years back trying to convice people or have a decent conversation around some of these subjects. Some people are just too set in their way of seeing how Witcher-saga should play out.
But this thread gets regularly necroed and this forum doesn't seem to have any sort of moderation. So i've decided to rewrite the whole original post because it simply wasn't, well, good enough.

Im not going to post any screenshots or quotes from the books. You'll simply have to keep these things in the back of your head when you are wading through the saga once more.


First easter egg: Triss Merigold is dead.

Andrzej Sapkowski made fools of his readers. There never was Triss Merigold of Maribor in the whole saga. And i mean all the eight books and three games. Lytta Neyd has been impersonating Triss the whole time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/9fzm57/the_greatest_easter_egg_ever_the_identity_of/
I did write about this on Reddit few years back, but eventually the topic was closed due inactivity.

So basicly what happened is that on the Sodden Hill Triss Merigold of Maribor exploded into unrecognizable pieces. Lytta Neyd was burned so badly that she could not be recognized either. So a mistake was made by the Sodden healers, Coral was restored with Triss Merigolds appearance.
The reason why she never corrected this mistake is that she fell in love with Geralt during the Season of Storms book and simply wanted another chance.
Season of Storms takes place between 1st and 2nd book. If you read Season of Storms after Lady of the Lake, you are doing it wrong.



Second easter egg: Geralt and Cirilla slept together during The Witcher 3

This is what original post was about and it gets some people really upset. Alot of fans see Geralt and Ciri in a father-daughter relationship and want nothing to do with this idea.

But there is a single reason for this intercourse: Sapkowski wrote during A Question of Price-story that virgins cannot control the Elder Blood power.

Princess Pavetta during her birthday party lost conrol of her power.
Cirilla during the battle of Kaer Morhen lost control of her power when Vesemir died.

By the way, Pavetta was unable to control her power but was also pregnant as it was later in the book revealed. This would seem to null my argument but it doesn't. I will tell you about Pavetta's pregnancy in the 3rd easter egg.

First Sapkowski writes on his book that virgins cannot control the power but few pages later he writes that the girl is pregnant. This is deliberate from Sapkowski, he begins building a easter egg here.
Also i doubt that there is an author in the world who would make this kind of mistake.

So, Cirilla lost control of her power when Vesemir died. But at the end of the W3: Wild Hunt she uses her Power of the Elder Blood to end the White Frost. This means that she lost her virginity after the battle of Kaer Morhen.
It happened after the fight with Crones and Imlerith, before returning to Novigrad. Pay attention to the travel time from Bald Mountain back to Novigrad when playing the game. It is 7 days. It is here where the two had their quality time.

The dialog choices during the W3 only determines her survival, wether of not she comes back from the White Frost.
Her ability to control the Elder Blood is solved by other means. And player cannot affect this. She always gains control of her power. No matter of the player choices.



Third easter egg: Triumvirate theory - Emhyr's exile years and Pavetta's pregnancy

If you go to Witcher-wiki and try to search info on Emhyr's exile years, you'll find nothing. This is where wiki hits complete blank. But it is actually possible to figure out where he was, with whom and what he did during this time. You'll just have to sherlock the ♥♥♥♥ out of the saga.

https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

1228 Emhyr was exiled when he was 13 years old
1237 next time he is seen in Cintran forest, demanding Law of Suprise from King Roegner
1252 he appears at Pavetta's party demanding her hand

He was exiled around 24 years. And let me tell you that he did not roam around forests.


To get this easter egg going you'll have to use simple logic. Alot of this easter egg is about using deductions and logic in fact. So....

Emhyr is exiled and cursed, what would he do?
Being cursed, he would seek help from powerful mage.
Being exiled monarch, he would seek asylum from a nation friendly to Nilfgaard.

Witcher-saga has a nation friendly towards Nilfgaard and the leader of this nation is also powerful mage. Ring a bell?

Emhyr did not roam around forests when he was exiled, he immediately sought asylum from Dol Blathanna, from Francesca Findabairs court. If he had any sort of curse on him, im sure Findabair lifted it.

Now we have to make a wild assumption. An assumption that Francesca Findabair introduced Ithlinne's Prophecy to Emhyr, who was teenager at the time. Maybe 14 or 15.
Why would she do this? For two reasons. First, the Elder Blood was already mixed to the human genes. Second, she recognized Emhyr becoming in the future the most powerful man in the world.
So she simply saw Emhyr as a "savior" of the Ithlinne's Prophecy. So from this point forward, when Emhyr was teenager, all he did was towards fulfilling the Prophecy in his own imperial bloodline.


But now Emhyr and Francesca have two problems:
First, the only bearer of the Gene is Queen Calanthe. So marriage between Emhyr and Calanthe is simply impossible.
Second, Emhyr is exiled teenager and Francesca is queen of the Elves, so neither can go meddling around Cintran court.

The solution to the second problem is to have someone who can go meddling around human courts. And this is when i believe Francesca introduced Yennefer to teenager Emhyr. This is when the Triumvirate is formed. Emhyr, Yennefer and Francesca. For the purpose of fulfilling Ithlinne's Prophecy in Emhyr's bloodline.

The solution to the first problem is simply to wait for Calanthe and Roegner to have offspring. Now you begin to understand why Emhyr was exiled for so long. First Triumvirate had to wait for 9 years for Calanthe to get pregnant and then another 15 years so that Emhyr could go demand Pavetta's hand.

The Law of Suprise between Emhyr and Pavetta was obviously fake. Francesca and Yennefer, with their magic, cause Roegner accident and teleport Emhyr to Cintra. Probably caused Calanthe's labour too. And so you have fake Law of Suprice between Emhyr and Pavetta.
Or would you rather believe that Emhyr spent 24 years roaming randomly around forests, relying on blind luck to have his curse lifted? The whole curse is plain copy of Cinderella story anyway.

Triumvirate knew that Calanthe would oppose Emhyrs claim for Pavetta's hand. So with Yennefer's and Francesca's help, Emhyr begin courting Pavetta a year before her 15th birthday.
Triumvirate could not take any risks however, and so they ended up inseminating Pavetta.
I know this sounds weird, but this is the logical way how Pavetta was both pregnant and unable to control her Power. She never had an intercourse but yet was pregnant.

And it is Sapkowski's own writing that both abortions and insemination is possible in the Witcher lore. Insemination was what Vilgefortz was planning to do to Cirilla after he captured her.

Right after Emhyr and Pavetta were married, he begin to prepare his return to Nilfgaard. Preparations taking for few years. But because there wasn't real connection between Emhyr and Pavetta, she grew distrusful towards Emhyr. And at critical moment Triumvirate's plan failed when Pavetta send Cirilla away from the ship which was supposed to carry them to Nilfgaard.
And so Emhyr had to wage several wars against the Norther Realms. To get his hands on the bearer of the Elder Gene.
Of course the secondary goal of the wars was unify all the kingdoms and then plant Cirilla on the throne.



Thats it, thats all i have to say.
It is very hard to figure out these easter eggs because they span on the whole saga. And you have to do Sherlock or Poirot class brainstretching too.

PS.
Over the course of years while this topic has been running, i've seen every possible insult people on the internet can muster. So don't bother with them if you don't have anything else to say.

[Macho Chunko]

anonymous a écrit :

Macho Chunko a écrit :

I mean it's a fantasy universe and they're not related, the only reason they don't bang each other is cause Geralt knows her since she was a child and raised her. If he would'nt have raised her and he meet her later in his life he would be definetely smashing her and probably ditch the readhead ♥♥♥♥♥ and Yennefer for her.

Threats of violence and flat out wrong facts. What a classic.

Macho Chunk I understand your point of view, the dark fantasy setting probably works out that way. In the world of the Witcher your theory is quite bulletproof.

In regards of the real world, maybe the same. However having manners and treating others with respect and common sense is a good thing, even if not all think the same. The addendum mentions that by the way. :)

And when did i not treat with "respect" and didn't have any manners?
I don't recall insulting you as a matter of fact you were the one saying something like don't destroy other's people's childhood or they destroy you.

anonymous a écrit :

Short Answer

Seek treatment and don´t destroy other people (especially innocent children ) or they destroy you later!

Also respect is something earned not given so no i wouldn't respect people unless they earned it and i know them but that's unrelated, it would be best to say to treat other with a minumum of dignity of a human being.

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I have several questions but first of all... WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥?! WHAT IN THE ACTUAL ♥♥♥♥?! A FATHER AND A DAUGHTER WHAT?!

[Ms. Anonymous]

I am sorry if my words were poorly chosen/missleading. The treating nicely and with respect part includes all people. From my point of view dignity and respect is somehow conected.

[Raudo Testoman]

If we were to drop this Geralt & Ciri debate for a moment... Would you be willing to listen something else? Humour me here okay?

There are still 2 other secrets in the Witcher-series that broad fanbase still don't know of.

These secrets are the identity of Triss Merigold and the early history of Emhyr var Emreis.

I will not go in to the details of the Emhyr's past. But i point out this: He was exiled when he was 13 years old (year 1228). Next sighting of him was in the Cintran forest when he was demanding Law of Suprise from king Roegner (year 1237). And the next time he was seen is when he appeared at Pavetta's birthday party, which obviously takes place 15 years later (year 1252).

Emhyr var Emreis was exiled for around 24 years. Do you believe that he spend all that time roaming around Cintran forest as a some sort of cursed hedgehog creature?

No he did not.

The "hedgehog"-curse was lifted long time ago before he demanded the Law of Suprise from Roegner (if there ever was one).
Where he was all this time and with whom can be deducted from the books. The hints are there.
But seeing how fanbase responded to this thread, i won't post more about this.

So about Triss Merigold..
What would you say if i told you that the Netflix's new WItcher-series is the very first time when fanbase gets to see the real Triss Merigold?
Triss Merigold of Maribor has never appeared in any book or game.

Since the beginning of the 3rd book, Blood of Elves, Lytta Neyd has been impersonating Triss Merigold.

What you need to realize first is that the 8th book, Season of Storms, takes place between Last Wish and Sword of Destiny. The correct cronological order of the books is 18234567. I strongly suggest that you re-read the books in this order.

Now... The critically important parts are at the end of the 2nd book, when Geralt is visiting the Sodden monument and at the beginning of the 3rd book, the sorceress' memories after she had arrive at Kaer Morhen.

Firstly... About the ending of 2nd book:
Geralts thoughts when seeing Triss' name on the monument reveal that there never was anything intimate between Geralt and Triss BEFORE the battle of Sodden Hill. It reads right there in the book that they simply liked each other.

Geralts thoughts when seeing Coral's name on the monument reveal that 8th book has already taken place and that for some unknown reason to Geralt, he ended up in Corals bed. Which is what happened in Season of Storms.

Secondly. About the beginning of the 3rd book, when the sorceress arrives Kaer Morhen.
If you re-read the Season of Storms before re-reading Blood of Elves. You will come to realize that the memories that the sorceress is thinking about belongs to Coral. Those memories are precisely what happens in Season of Storms. Coral seducing Geralt with magic and Geralt and Yennefer breaking up for example.

Thirdly, there is one more hint in the 6th book. After Yennefer has disappeared from Skellige, this sorceress come looking for her. In the scene when this sorceress is having dinner with Crach, she is wearing coral lipstick, which is Lytta Neyds trademark. If you own ebooks, you probably can find this text by search.


What happened to the tattoo Coral had?
She removed it. In the 3rd book, right after they leave Kaer Morhen she becomes awfully sick. This is highly peculiar don't you think. Nobody else got sick and she is supposed to be immune. But if you have played W2 and gotten drunk with the Blue Stripes, you'll know that the tattoo removal is alchemical cream of sort. And in the 3rd book, right at the beginning of 4th chapter where she gets sick she reveals that she is allergic. The sickness is simply alergic reaction.

W3: Wild Hunt also has hints:
If Geralt asks "Triss" to stay in Novigrad, she'll take him to the lighthouse to "watch the ships". This is also presicely what Geralt and Coral did in Season of Storms.
Also there is the hydromancy. Coral uses it to track Geralts stolen swords and "Triss" uses it to track Philippa.

How this swap happened then?
Theres short scene in Blood of Elves where Coral talks about the battle of Sodden. In this dialog she says that both living and the dead were hard to identify. As we know she too was extremely badly injured. Also in this dialog she says that only survivor who knew her was Yennefer, and Yennefer was blinded.

And then she says " our former appearances restored to us " or something like that. Except the survivors/healers mistook Coral for Triss Merigold and thus Coral was restored with Merigolds appearance.

In the books her eye and hair color is shifting but eventually Coral started to wear her original eye and hair color. Green eyes and fox red hair.
Real Triss Merigold had blue eyes and chestnut hair.


Anyways im done with this.
I hope that you re-read the books with this in mind. You will realize that there never was Triss Merigold in whole series.

[Hamartio]

anonymous a écrit :

Short Answer

Seek treatment and don´t destroy other people (especially innocent children ) or they destroy you later!



Long Answer

The human brain is wired to feel complete and utter disgust, when confronted with a relationship between relatives. Evolutionary speaking; gene pool diversity is a must have if you care about mentally and physically strong offspring. The difference between right and wrong is inherent in our genes, if you never had it
your brain matter is somehow defect, as harsh as it sounds. Treatment can help but not cure.



Argument 1: But I know one, who knows one who heard that the inbreed cousin etc. is completely normal, why should you punish people for the feelings for each other?

Answer: Exceptions confirm the rules.
Exceptions can happen, congratulations you are born normal. If disabled, I deeply feel sry for the stupid reasoning of your parents. The child should be treated the best way possible, because it is NOT accountable for the actions of the parents. It is hard enough in this world, don´t make it more horrible.



Addendum: Pls don´t get me wrong, I have absolutely no problem with love, but some things should stay forbidden.

Many ideas and ideologies can ♥♥♥♥ up peoples brains, especially if they are not trained to think, don´t want to or simply love to follow charismatic leaders.

Psychological problems and severe disorders should under no circumstances be glorified and made normal. They are not funny, edgy cool or nice to have, they are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, depressing stuff made out of nightmares and death.

It is sad if someone suffers from certain conditions... don´t judge, be compassionate and help or know someone who can help or let them be.

But don´t encourage destructive and entitled mindsets that think they are right .True evil- it thinks that it is good and right.




Grammar mistakes and so on - pls feel free to correct

Probably should have an actual understanding of psychology, biology, and cultural anthropology before saying ♥♥♥♥ like this, especially laughably moronic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like "the difference between right and wrong is inherent in our genes." So when are you going to publish your findings and collect your Nobel Prize for discovering something scientists have been trying to suss out for more than the last century and philosophers for several millenia? But back on topic, the practice of what people derogate as "cousin ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" used to be a very common practice in human history all the way up until about a hundred years or so ago and fell out of fashion not because of the discovery of genes and birth defects people whinge about these days but because it was, as travel to other populated places to meet new people became easier thanks to new technology, seen as a backwater, hillbilly practice forced only on those so poor and without options, the most widely available mates they had were also distant relatives. If you feel repulsed by that, that's just your regurgitation of what you've been mistakenly taught to think of as incest as the concept has mutated in the collective unconscious of society. And to be clear - no, I'm not advocating you marry your cousin. But you do you...

Anyway, back on real topic, and since I haven't seen anyone else bring it up though the OP mentioned the movie in question/I'm too lazy to comb through offended normie comments for any semblance of intelligence, there's a chance the devs also picked up on this romantic subtext. In the DLC mission Open Sesame! from Hearts of Stone where you visit the auction house, you're able to buy a peculiar pair of glasses detailed as being owned by a professional assassin called "The Professor." They're the same glasses worn by Leon in The Professional, one of the movies mentioned by the OP, which draws a direct link between the two works, though we shouldn't automatically decree this was intentional for any specific reason. But going with the assumption that it may be intentional, juxtaposing the two helps to validate this theory to some extent due to the similarity of base narrative elements.

Further and though most already got the subtext as the movie sits, not many are aware the original script was supposedly much more forthcoming with at least Matilda's feelings for Leon and his complicated feelings therein being, himself, somewhat child-like in his disposition despite being a coldblooded killer (recall that Leon also has a caretaker and father figure, Tony - casts Vesemir in a potential new light too), but it was changed because average sensibilities are what the times demand. Artistic vision and depicting people as they are be damned. How dare people be violated and abused with such extreme crimes that can only be described as feeling icky.

People are free to feel as disgusted as they wish, but humans gonna human irrespective of the arbitrary societal values of the time. The Greeks used to engage in what we call pederasty to day. Back then, they just called it a Thursday, and the world kept turning. Just because you see Geralt purely as Ciri's father doesn't imply they do, they have to, and everyone else is obligated or to agree with your deficiencies (or are bad people if they don't), especially when there are no actual, real blood ties, plus Geralt's perception of time doesn't coincide with the average human lifespan. If you want to go down that rabbit hole of applying normie logic, every regular human he's ever ♥♥♥♥♥♥ is essentially a child in comparison since he's about 100 years old while only looking to be in his late 40s to mid 50s. Anyway, they're two (fictional) people who aren't trying to involve you in their business. Do you also get offended by what two gay men do alone at home? You may want to talk to a therapist about why you're so affected by that. Humans are mere animals, many huddled under the myth of man as separate from nature they call "civilization." Get over yourselves. You'll be a better person for it.

Edit: Also. "But don´t encourage destructive and entitled mindsets that think they are right .True evil- it thinks that it is good and right." Oh, the everlasting irony of the pious.....

[cyeklone]

Geralt has no problem ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ any women, in fact, he is quite fit. But not Ciri.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Adfafus a écrit :

Trolololol

Of course, you are. Being the Nth boi to bump the thread because OP had an opinion, and likely unsubscribed.

[Halcyform]

Luyânaum a écrit :

Jesus, the original post was written three years ago. Who's the clown necroing this.

https://youtu.be/hihEhsdwiIk

Honestly, I like seeing the Geralt x Ciri posts. I don't see many posts where people lose their $hit so badly.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Adfafus a écrit :

Light Yagami a écrit :

Of course, you are. Being the Nth boi to bump the thread because OP had an opinion, and likely unsubscribed.

Problem?

A troll, named Adfafus

[120 BPM]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the incel level here

[The Cartoon Hors]

romance with ciri..feels dirty.
"Im looking for someone whose like daughter to me:"
oof.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Adfafus a écrit :

Light Yagami a écrit :

A troll, named Adfafus

Thank you for the compliment.

You're welcome

[Ajna Kid]

hahahha so funny hahaha trolling hahaha

[Raudo Testoman]

To be honest i am tired of this thread and all the insults. Going to ask moderators to lock this thread.

[Uryon]

Raudo Testoman a écrit :

To be honest i am tired of this thread and all the insults. Going to ask moderators to lock this thread.

Good luck with that, I've been reporting it every time someone necroed it and it got too toxic; and it's still up. Moderators love this thread too much to apply the rules.
EDIT: just saw you're the OP. Congrats the moderators are very fond of your theory.