Orianna Info? [SPOILERS]

[Ed]

So after finishing blood and wine this is now my main menu http://imgur.com/nU3G44P

Geralt said he was going to kill her, as everyone has probably worked out she is the vampire from the 'a night to remember' trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehjJ614QfeM

Now if you check in the characters section her entery ends with 'Geralt swore that if they ever met again.....'

What I want to know is has anybody actually found her? is the fight from the trailer actually playable? or what I think it more likely to be this is just fore shadowing and a very awesome kind of easter egg from CDPR.

What do you guys think?

[Bruce Wayne]

Yeah, I unfortunately can't remember it's been a while since I went through that quest. Hopefully that guide is some help. But at the very least you that interaction with the higher vampire is relavent to this whole conversation I think.

[Ed]

The quest you are all talking about is triggered during the main one when Dandilion is sorting out his Inn. Callonetta is attacked and has her throat burned etc. As you persue that quest everything will begin to point towards a certain priest of the eternal fire who you find in a ♥♥♥♥♥ house burning a girl named sweet netty. If you attack him outright the quest ends there. If you actually speak to him he tells you that the guy from the mourge is at the docks buying formaldahide.

Its worth doing and is a pretty cool quest.

For those of you that have done it, I was just thinking about how much of a breeze this guy was compared to the other higher vampires. Especially after the form he takes when you fight him. Perhaps there are different levels of higher vampires? Just because because they are higher dosent mean they are all as strong, look at Witrchers for example, Geralt is only as strong as he is from the extra mutations he had when he was a child. Among other things.

[Caaros]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr Zurkon:

For those of you that have done it, I was just thinking about how much of a breeze this guy was compared to the other higher vampires. Especially after the form he takes when you fight him. Perhaps there are different levels of higher vampires? Just because because they are higher dosent mean they are all as strong, look at Witrchers for example, Geralt is only as strong as he is from the extra mutations he had when he was a child. Among other things.

I think the the strength of a higher vampire is dependant on their age and experience.

[Ed]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Caaros, The King of Chaos:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr Zurkon:

For those of you that have done it, I was just thinking about how much of a breeze this guy was compared to the other higher vampires. Especially after the form he takes when you fight him. Perhaps there are different levels of higher vampires? Just because because they are higher dosent mean they are all as strong, look at Witrchers for example, Geralt is only as strong as he is from the extra mutations he had when he was a child. Among other things.

I think the the strength of a higher vampire is dependant on their age and experience.

Yes thats what im getting at. The vampires such as Regis and Dettlaff have a unique form where as the one from the main story is the same at a Katakan. So if they get stronger then they must be able to atain a new form which is why I said that there are different levels of higher vampires.

Which would build on the theory that although in that trailer Orianna has a form similar to a Bruxxe/Alp she might just be less 'evolved' that other higher vampires.

Another thing I thought about what perhaps higher vampires are evolved versions of lower vampires. So their forms when they are higher depends what they evolved from, Dettlaff and Regis both have the same because they came from the same species of vampire. Orianna evolved from a Bruxxe and the guy from the warehouse came from a Katakan. Would explain their respective forms.

[Bruce Wayne]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr Zurkon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Caaros, The King of Chaos:

I think the the strength of a higher vampire is dependant on their age and experience.

Yes thats what im getting at. The vampires such as Regis and Dettlaff have a unique form where as the one from the main story is the same at a Katakan. So if they get stronger then they must be able to atain a new form which is why I said that there are different levels of higher vampires.

Which would build on the theory that although in that trailer Orianna has a form similar to a Bruxxe/Alp she might just be less 'evolved' that other higher vampires.

Another thing I thought about what perhaps higher vampires are evolved versions of lower vampires. So their forms when they are higher depends what they evolved from, Dettlaff and Regis both have the same because they came from the same species of vampire. Orianna evolved from a Bruxxe and the guy from the warehouse came from a Katakan. Would explain their respective forms.

I'd agree with those statements. With the higher vampire in the warehouse I just went through and re read the quest in the completed section and Dandelion writes something to the effect of "How hard and tough of a fight Geralt had with the mighty higher vampire, and that few ever walk away from such an encounter".

My thought that is in the "lore" of the story it was a hard/challenging fight for Geralt, but for game play purposes it was just easy because they didn't tune him like a story boss. As with the "lore" version of Orianna we saw a tough fight for Geralt, while gameplay wise if she was a mini boss she could be super easy if that makes any sense.

[Ed]

@Bruce Wayne. Thats actually an incredibly good point. On paper they are incredibly powerful beings, but for the guy in the warehouse they just used a slightly buffed up Katakan as they didnt really have anything else to use.

[Ed]

Also to add to my previous point about the higher vampires evolving from lesser ones. Remember the clans in Teshen Mutna? They could represent different evolutions of the higher vampires. For example Regis and Detlaff are both from the same clan. Same clan same form maybe? Just an idea I wanted to throw out there.

[Bruce Wayne]

Yeah true that. Didn't one of the glyphs say that one of the vampire tribes settled in old elven lands? So there could be Elf higher vampires that could look completely different when they go feral because they're a different race of vampires.

Remembering back to W1 there was a quest with a Vampire Brothel. I can't dig too deep right now but just going back through all the people I think were higher vampires, and I believe you can end up killing the blue eyes girl http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Eyes . But they were super sentient and intelligent which Blood and Wine said that only higher vampires were.

[Depgar31]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr Zurkon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Caaros, The King of Chaos:

I think the the strength of a higher vampire is dependant on their age and experience.

Yes thats what im getting at. The vampires such as Regis and Dettlaff have a unique form where as the one from the main story is the same at a Katakan. So if they get stronger then they must be able to atain a new form which is why I said that there are different levels of higher vampires.

Which would build on the theory that although in that trailer Orianna has a form similar to a Bruxxe/Alp she might just be less 'evolved' that other higher vampires.

Another thing I thought about what perhaps higher vampires are evolved versions of lower vampires. So their forms when they are higher depends what they evolved from, Dettlaff and Regis both have the same because they came from the same species of vampire. Orianna evolved from a Bruxxe and the guy from the warehouse came from a Katakan. Would explain their respective forms.

Dettlaff and Regis actually came from some world during the first conjunction of spheres, which makes them pure breed

[Ed]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ernesto_perdomo2000:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr Zurkon:

Yes thats what im getting at. The vampires such as Regis and Dettlaff have a unique form where as the one from the main story is the same at a Katakan. So if they get stronger then they must be able to atain a new form which is why I said that there are different levels of higher vampires.

Which would build on the theory that although in that trailer Orianna has a form similar to a Bruxxe/Alp she might just be less 'evolved' that other higher vampires.

Another thing I thought about what perhaps higher vampires are evolved versions of lower vampires. So their forms when they are higher depends what they evolved from, Dettlaff and Regis both have the same because they came from the same species of vampire. Orianna evolved from a Bruxxe and the guy from the warehouse came from a Katakan. Would explain their respective forms.

Dettlaff and Regis actually came from some world during the first conjunction of spheres, which makes them pure breed

Yeah but all vampires came from the same world. Thats why the Unseen one is guarding the portal on Toussant because, in the words of Regis 'This is the only place we came through'. They might be pure breed in the sense they have been around since the start of the conjunction and came from another world but that dosent mean they didnt evolve and get more powerful after that.

[Ed]

Or that they evolved from the same lesser vampire before the conjunction.

[Depgar31]

@Mr Zurkon true that

[Leah]

When you visit the location of the main menu you won't find her.
Maybe there is a way to trigger a side quest but i don't think it is in the game.

[Dswp_CZE]

Some guy in other Orianna topic on steam discussion claims, that after the Oriana quest during the night of the long fangs, he found Oriana somewhere in Novingrad/Velen area, but he refuses to tell where. When he approached her, the cinematic trailer started and was cut,when the fight in the trailer started. Then he was able to kill her in game,then the trailer continued,after the trailer was over, he was teleported back to Toussaint. He said that soem bug also occured because of different armours he weared. It sounds nice, but he said that we must find her location for ourselfs, that she isnt in some hut, we must learn it, and didnt show any screenshots or proof, so there is a possibility that he´s lying. But it could be something though.

[Caaros]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Seljdon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Caaros, The King of Chaos:

I don't think she is the same vampire as in the trailer, as the trailer vampire is a Bruxae and Orianna is a higher vampire. That said, you wouldn't want to fight her, as being a higher vampire makes her 99% immortal. You especially wouldn't want to fight here in a tight space like that barn, you would have almost no room to dodge her claws.

Edit: I just rewatched the trailer, I didn't realize how similar they actually looked. She might actually be a bruxae or an alp, but we don't entirely know what kind of vampire she is at this point.

Not true, higher vampires are not 99% immortal. They have eternal youth (which some refer to immortal) which is not the same thing as immortality.

Geralt has killed Higher Vampires before. There are two in Novigrad in the game. One in a secret crypt under novigrad city sewers (as soon as you kill it you get the higher vampire beast info if you don't have it already and katakan's) and then there is a Higher Vampire eatting people in Novigrad that you fight in a giant barn (he's male). He as well walks around as a human. After you kill him you get his info. This is the very same higher vampire KILLED BY GERALT in "Carnal Sins" when Persilla got mugged (Dandelion's girl). So CDPR screwed up in blood and wine by stating they can't be killed accept by another higher vampire.

They can be "killed", but not permanently. They reform after death through "resurrective immortality". The only permanent way for one to die is if another higher vampire kills them. Both of the Novigrad vampires will eventually reform, likely long after anybody that knew of them dies.