King's Gambit Outcome Manipulation

[tiberiansun371alexw]

I personally like Svanrige. I was a bit worried about making him king since on Skellige the jarls seem to want to fight more than make peace (it's like we're back in 9th century Denmark even though plate armour didn't exist back then).

Anyways, Crach an Craite had been a pal to Geralt before. He sheltered Ciri, who made frineds with Hjallmar,. Crach gave Yennefer sanctuary at one point (I mean long after their little twist early in his life and at one of the times she was with Geralt). So naturally, when falsely accused of the massacre in the game, I'd want to help him and his children clear their name right?

So I did so and it turns out Birna was behind all of it. Then Svanrige is forced into disgrace and lose his wealth despite being instrumental to solving the case. Wait what? I liked him, no.

Can I just help neither in King's Gambit and help Hjalmar clear their after coronation?

[tiberiansun371alexw]

If I help Hjalmar or Ceyes, Svanrige loses his wealth for his mother's sins.

Can't I let him become king and then clear the and Craite's name (without finding out who is behind the bears)?

[v0]

i wonder now whether hjalmar with team on undvik and cerys both die that way so when you do giant you're on your own and udalrik's quest never starts or fails if already started? after all you meet both children in distress. so maybe this's among those few cases where "time" matters in tw3 (as sequence of events not ingame hours mind you :)

problem with putting svanrige on throne it wont be him ruling but his mother.

[deidian]

Ot seeing it another way. Given the events and the plot of Birna during King's Gambit, if Geralt doesn't help neither Hjalmar or Cerys they do sh1t in their respective actions to uncover the plot of Birna(Cerys) or punish the attackers(Hjalmar) they fail miserably. And basically that's what's used to promote any of them to king or queen of Skellige.

If Cerys discovers the plot with Geralt's intervention she'll be queen.
If Hjalmar succeeds in punishing the bersekers that transformed in bears in the feast, again with Geralt intervention, he'll be king.
If none of them succeeds then Svaringe is king.

[v0]

Originally posted by Damián:

Ot seeing it another way. Given the events and the plot of Birna during King's Gambit, if Geralt doesn't help neither Hjalmar or Cerys they do sh1t in their respective actions to uncover the plot of Birna(Cerys) or punish the attackers(Hjalmar) they fail miserably. And basically that's what's used to promote any of them to king or queen of Skellige.

If Cerys discovers the plot with Geralt's intervention she'll be queen.
If Hjalmar succeeds in punishing the bersekers that transformed in bears in the feast, again with Geralt intervention, he'll be king.
If none of them succeeds then Svaringe is king.

to me only question's whether cerys and hjalmar die if you dont help them. i wont ever try playing tw3 again after just finishing b&w but i do think giant's probably killable before even help children quests start. whereas cerys isnt available unless crach points you to her. what i cant tell because i dont remember's whether hjalmar's on island already before everything or player fights giant solo then. or could be stupid cave's blocked until hjalmar quest starts so then it's missed totally?

[deidian]

Originally posted by v0:

Originally posted by Damián:

Ot seeing it another way. Given the events and the plot of Birna during King's Gambit, if Geralt doesn't help neither Hjalmar or Cerys they do sh1t in their respective actions to uncover the plot of Birna(Cerys) or punish the attackers(Hjalmar) they fail miserably. And basically that's what's used to promote any of them to king or queen of Skellige.

If Cerys discovers the plot with Geralt's intervention she'll be queen.
If Hjalmar succeeds in punishing the bersekers that transformed in bears in the feast, again with Geralt intervention, he'll be king.
If none of them succeeds then Svaringe is king.

to me only question's whether cerys and hjalmar die if you dont help them. i wont ever try playing tw3 again after just finishing b&w but i do think giant's probably killable before even help children quests start. whereas cerys isnt available unless crach points you to her. what i cant tell because i dont remember's whether hjalmar's on island already before everything or player fights giant solo then. or could be stupid cave's blocked until hjalmar quest starts so then it's missed totally?

Never tested that but I guess from the flow of action.

HJALMAR

He will perish if you don't go or go solo to Undvik but ignore Hjalmar.

If you find him I guess that he'll remain alive in Undvik till the Isle of Mists or you finish his quest.

The giant cave is blocked by many rocks and Hjalmar is intended to give Geralt the info about the giant's lair so no way to kill the giant without Hjalmar info.

Besides, the state of expedition and Hjalmar reckless behavior basically tell that if Geralt doesn't move a finger they all die there, since he's not willing to withdraw without killing the giant.

CERYS

In this case might be possible to find Cerys in the old house of jarl of Spikeroog, which probably to get all information without asking about her whereabouts in the village. But I don't see other way to get the information without collaborating with her.

Ignoring her will probably result in death too. When you find her she's unconscious in the house haunted by the hym, so I wouldn't bet in her waking up and getting alive unless Geralt saves her. Again the inflexion point will be The Isle of Mists.

PS: In case you help both them in their personal quests,but then you don't help in King's Gambit, this is Svanrige king. Both Hjalmar and Cerys will die in a raid against Niilfgard when later the niilfgardian fleet is stationed and ready to attack Skellige, they will become early war victims. Add it up that Crach will perish against Eredin and An Craite dynasty got wiped from the continent, in this case.

[v0]

Originally posted by Damián:

CERYS

In this case might be possible to find Cerys in the old house of jarl of Spikeroog, which probably to get all information without asking about her whereabouts in the village. .

i explored all skellige and all regions in general before advancing main story and house was empty. i also think giant's island was largely empty but i didnt try checking every corner there.

[deidian]

But once you advance the main story both quests start. Cerys moves to Spikeroog and Hjalmar will be in Undvik. None of the quests seems to be finish able without speaking with Cerys and Hjalmar. They can't be refused, only left undone. So the events happen whether Geralt interferes or not, the difference is that he solves the matter for Crach offspring or they perish in the attempt.

[Hoop]

Like others have said you can help them early on but refuse to aid them during the Bear Attack quest thing and get King Svanrige. I usually put Cerys on the throne though.

[v0]

ok so answer to op's question's you cant get svanrige on throne and at same time hjalmar's name cleared. either hjalmar dies before (because you dont help on undvik) or he's present but you must choose not to investigate matters (so that svanrige gets throne).

[tiberiansun371alexw]

Originally posted by v0:

ok so answer to op's question's you cant get svanrige on throne and at same time hjalmar's name cleared. either hjalmar dies before (because you dont help on undvik) or he's present but you must choose not to investigate matters (so that svanrige gets throne).

That's kind of sad.

[McGeeZac]

Help Haljmar, that dude is a running shipwreck.