What if you let King of the Wild Hunt take Grand Master in Witcher 1? [spoilers]

[mike13234]

At the end of Witcher 1, you had to either fight the spectre of the King of the Wild Hunt, OR let him take main villain of the game, the Grand Master, Jacques the Alderberg.

What makes this really interesting is that the guy got the Elder Blood thing as well. So, what would have happened with Witcher 3's main plot if you just handed the guy to the Wild Hunt in the first game? :)

[charly4711]

I don't think there are _any_ consequences of anything in TW1 for TW3. (There obviously are from TW2 to 3.)

My impression is that they tried to do something Elder Blood vs. Ithlinne's Prophecy in the first game without without really daring to tackle the whole Ciri story and invented some quasi-Ciri who can also pose as an antagonist and make for a good boss-fight. When they felt they had found an angle on Ciri in TW3 they just threw TW1 under the bus lore-wise. And I think that was probably the right choice.

So, in other words, I don't personally consider TW1 game canon.

[mike13234]

I know that Witcher 1 choices aren't imported to Witcher 3.

I was just wondering that what would have been story-wise the most likely outcome after that choice... :D

[★ FmNey ★]

Not every Source has the Elder Blood, and it's definitely not the Grand Master.
Also that wild hunt King is not the real one in person, they sent spectre to other worlds and only come in person if there's something important to them, and Jaques is not important as he doesn't have the Elder Blood they've been seeking for, but still a soul of a Source worth more than ordinary mages.
In other words, the outcome doesn't affect W3 story-wise.

[Labargoth]

Originally posted by mike13234:

I know that Witcher 1 choices aren't imported to Witcher 3.

I was just wondering that what would have been story-wise the most likely outcome after that choice... :D

Likely they would have made Jacques de Alderberg join the Wild Hunt as one of their own, like they did with Geralt. I can't imagine another reason why else the Wild Hunt would have cared about taking him.

[mike13234]

Originally posted by Cirilla Fiona Elen Riannon:

Not every Source has the Elder Blood, and it's definitely not the Grand Master.
Also that wild hunt King is not the real one in person, they sent spectre to other worlds and only come in person if there's something important to them, and Jaques is not important as he doesn't have the Elder Blood they've been seeking for, but still a soul of a Source worth more than ordinary mages.
In other words, the outcome doesn't affect W3 story-wise.

I understood that Jacques de Alderberg indeed had Elder Blood, and the WIki page about it seems to say the same.

https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Elder_Blood#Known_Carriers

Also, while the spectre is not Eredin in his own person, I'd imagine he'd still know what happened. I mean, wasn't it supposed to be easier to visit other words as spectres rather than in flesh?

[★ FmNey ★]

Originally posted by mike13234:

Originally posted by Cirilla Fiona Elen Riannon:

Not every Source has the Elder Blood, and it's definitely not the Grand Master.
Also that wild hunt King is not the real one in person, they sent spectre to other worlds and only come in person if there's something important to them, and Jaques is not important as he doesn't have the Elder Blood they've been seeking for, but still a soul of a Source worth more than ordinary mages.
In other words, the outcome doesn't affect W3 story-wise.

I understood that Jacques de Alderberg indeed had Elder Blood, and the WIki page about it seems to say the same.

https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Elder_Blood#Known_Carriers

Also, while the spectre is not Eredin in his own person, I'd imagine he'd still know what happened. I mean, wasn't it supposed to be easier to visit other words as spectres rather than in flesh?

I mean the "true" Elder Blood, he sure cannot stop the White Frost by himself like the main bloodline of Ciri or her ancestors, he can only envision it.

[RobotParty]

Originally posted by Labargoth:

Originally posted by mike13234:

I know that Witcher 1 choices aren't imported to Witcher 3.

I was just wondering that what would have been story-wise the most likely outcome after that choice... :D

Likely they would have made Jacques de Alderberg join the Wild Hunt as one of their own, like they did with Geralt. I can't imagine another reason why else the Wild Hunt would have cared about taking him.

Everything in the finale isn't real aside from Jacques and Geralt, though. It's all a "vision" magic or otherwise. Maybe there's some lore I'm missing about Eredin/The Wild Hunt riders being able to enter visions/magical worlds like the one Jacques makes but ultimately it is just a magical vision that he pulls Geralt into.

I think the more accurate assumption to make is that the spectre is pulled from Geralt's mind, just like the other characters you see in the finale, and it "somehow" kills Jacques, as the little cameo he has in Witcher 3 sort of implies he intended to die regardless. I've never let him be taken though, so I dunno if you see his dead body after the finale in Witcher 1. I think you see his body if you kill The Wild Hunt.

P.S. I checked and you do indeed see his body if you kill The Wild Hunt but I swear to god I cannot find a video choosing to let him be taken, so I dunno on that one.

[★ FmNey ★]

Originally posted by RobotParty:

Originally posted by Labargoth:

Likely they would have made Jacques de Alderberg join the Wild Hunt as one of their own, like they did with Geralt. I can't imagine another reason why else the Wild Hunt would have cared about taking him.

Everything in the finale isn't real aside from Jacques and Geralt, though. It's all a "vision" magic or otherwise. Maybe there's some lore I'm missing about Eredin/The Wild Hunt riders being able to enter visions/magical worlds like the one Jacques makes but ultimately it is just a magical vision that he pulls Geralt into.

I think the more accurate assumption to make is that the spectre is pulled from Geralt's mind, just like the other characters you see in the finale, and it "somehow" kills Jacques, as the little cameo he has in Witcher 3 sort of implies he intended to die regardless. I've never let him be taken though, so I dunno if you see his dead body after the finale in Witcher 1. I think you see his body if you kill The Wild Hunt.

P.S. I checked and you do indeed see his body if you kill The Wild Hunt but I swear to god I cannot find a video choosing to let him be taken, so I dunno on that one.

Indeed it was, Geralt was still having amnesia because the Hunt took his soul, so the Hunt from that scene is most likely from Geralt's mind.

[Alex_x86]

Originally posted by RobotParty:

Originally posted by Labargoth:

Likely they would have made Jacques de Alderberg join the Wild Hunt as one of their own, like they did with Geralt. I can't imagine another reason why else the Wild Hunt would have cared about taking him.

Everything in the finale isn't real aside from Jacques and Geralt, though. It's all a "vision" magic or otherwise. Maybe there's some lore I'm missing about Eredin/The Wild Hunt riders being able to enter visions/magical worlds like the one Jacques makes but ultimately it is just a magical vision that he pulls Geralt into.

I think the more accurate assumption to make is that the spectre is pulled from Geralt's mind, just like the other characters you see in the finale, and it "somehow" kills Jacques, as the little cameo he has in Witcher 3 sort of implies he intended to die regardless. I've never let him be taken though, so I dunno if you see his dead body after the finale in Witcher 1. I think you see his body if you kill The Wild Hunt.

P.S. I checked and you do indeed see his body if you kill The Wild Hunt but I swear to god I cannot find a video choosing to let him be taken, so I dunno on that one.

There is no 100% certainty if everything was not real there. We see scared Alvin appearing for few seconds and not sure if this is just another illusion or is this the point when Alvin really appeared and after seeing what he saw he started his path of becoming Jacques the Alderberg.