Canon endings and why I fear for Witcher 4

[BigusDicus]

I have been seeing alot of bonker arguments about which faction is the best and most logical faction to have dominion over Tameria, as you don't have any alternative endings beyond these two regardless of your choice, and the most common opinion is Nilfguard. Ive also been seeing alot of bonkers suggestions about how Ciri should be the next main character when a Witcher spin off series is created.

I'm gonna give my reasons as to why both these suggestions are beyond silly, both from a game mechanic consistency and narrative consistency perspective, as this topic is important and consumer attitudes towards ideas definitely has an impact on which way developers will mold their next product, and we have a responsibility if we care about what direction witcher 4 is taken to make it known certain ideas are silly, and this whole point is only made redundent if Witcher 4 will be a prequal or reboot.

I will start with Ciri.
Now literally the entire base plot of witcher 3 revolves around the fact that Ciri is the ♥♥♥♥. She is a child of the elder blood who has the potential to be a Atom bomb on two legs. And I'm sure we all remember the end game where Ciri is creaming through Wild Hunt grunts like a knife through hot butter. Now you take this literal demi god, you age her and make her even more powerful, and then make it a setting where it's the prologue of witcher 4, and she is facing down a pack of Drowners, how in the name of the Lord above are you going to be able to play as Ciri struggling with a pack of drowners while keeping a straight face knowing all we know about this girl. Geralt is a beast who can take on big fish, but he is still by comparison a fragile squishy mortal who doesn't scoff at taking down a troll cave or Instect nest. You can believe this old ass witcher is still fragile and needs to be careful when facing even lowly monsters, capturing this same thing with Ciri after shes unlocked her god like potential after witcher 3 is just a silly effort in futility to me.

Now as for the faction argument.
Now the devolpers really made a doo doo with Skelige. They took this very complex world and boiled down the choice for skelige as strong willed red head Women good and angry red head man bad. They clearly took the fun out of choice making in games by making the good choice and bad choice so obvious, most likely to appeal to the SJW types who don't even buy their games. Now they tried to do the same thing with the end game Mainland choice but despite even their immense powers in cuckery couldn't boil down the end game tameria choice to be so cut and dry as their world building was so good and complex there where to many variables to allow for such cut and dry Strong Women good, Angry Man bad type endings despite their best efforts.
Now the moral ending is clearly that Ciri becomes emperess and nilfguard turns Tameria into a vassal state.
The canon ending is most likely that Ciri becomes a witcher and he Emperor takes tameria and kills the plotters.
But the problems with these ending are these, from a narrative perspective, this is a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boring world to build upon for a sequal. But ultimitaly my main problem with this ending is it goes against the principles of the actual creator of the Witcher world by ignoring the geopolitical Polish perspective of medieval Europe, which is what much of the witcher author took inspiration from. In short Nilfguard ergo the Holy Roman Empire should not win in the North ergo the fractured Polish lithuanian people and a Northern Empire ergo the Empire of the Commonwealth should be canonical. The birth of modern day Polish identity came from the different peoples coming together to repel the invading HRE and their formidable black knights of the Teutonic order and later the Hapsburg armies of the Empire and forming a commonwealth to maintain this unity or national identity. Poland and Lithuania where born from this effort.
Now to betray this inspiration seems like a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing to do, and also, the whole crap the developers tried to say about how fun it is to be a vassal is just retarded, The very fact that in this game Vassiliation is the moral outcome just goes to show the level of ignorance these Polish developers have to the their own history and the original Authors intent and message. You can prove this ♥♥♥♥ by just simply asking any Polish or Balkland historian if vassilisation is fun, the reality is it is worse than just outright being occupied. The Book ending, which ends pretty much with second Northern war, is a far more true to life ending for both Poland and the HRE. Which was the HRE secure a few border lands, but overall the Commonwealth remains alive and proud and the HRE doesn't collapse.

Now to end this off I don't ultimately think this matters. Because I think there is a high chance no matter how silly it is, that Ciri will be the main character as I can see gaming awards going the way of the Movie awards and setting rules on how many awards you are allowed to win correlating with how much non straight white male participiation was involved. But I still think it's an important conversation and I am interested in what others think.
FYI I apologize for all the spelling and punctuation mistakes.

[Scheneighnay]

I would argue that the Dijkstra ending is a good ending as well.

Another Witcher game doesn't necessarily need to be a sequel either.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by corlandom:

i think they should let the series die.

if they were to stay in this world then something like a character whose family and home were destroyed in the fighting and now wants nothing more than to wreak havoc among the gentry might be interesting...

Ah yes, let's make a game that completely ignored everything that makes its setting interesting to opt for marxist propaganda instead.

I don't think you can make a major Witcher game without the main character being a Witcher or pseudo-Witcher.
A core theme of the series is that Geralt and the other witchers stand between worlds, sortof like what's explained in "Skellige's most wanted".
They're between the worlds of humans and monsters, rich and poor, military and civilian, and all sides get showcased.

Having the game in the point of view of anyone other than a Witcher would mean ignoring half of those worlds that make the series what it is.
You can't just be some angry peasant who saw 2 drowners in their life.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by corlandom:

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Ah yes, let's make a game that completely ignored everything that makes its setting interesting to opt for marxist propaganda instead.

I don't think you can make a major Witcher game without the main character being a Witcher or pseudo-Witcher.
A core theme of the series is that Geralt and the other witchers stand between worlds, sortof like what's explained in "Skellige's most wanted".
They're between the worlds of humans and monsters, rich and poor, military and civilian, and all sides get showcased.

Having the game in the point of view of anyone other than a Witcher would mean ignoring half of those worlds that make the series what it is.
You can't just be some angry peasant who saw 2 drowners in their life.

marxist. lol. more like an assassin or crime lord seeking vengeance.

but hey you want more witcher that's cool. i just think it has gone stale and they will struggle with making it interesting.

Completely ignoring every aspect of the world that makes the franchise stand out as a unique product is making it interesting?

If you really want to avoid a Witcher MC, Regis is a good candidate come to think of it. But only to a degree as monsters can't directly threaten him, so gameplay would need to be reimagined to more of an intrigue system.

[dcain3456]

If there is a Witcher 4, it's going to be yourself playing a customizable witcher. Geralt's story is done.

[The_Pastmaster]

I'd like to see another witcher from a different school in the next game assuming it happens. Maybe even a in different part of the world.

[eyecarrot19]

I would like to see new versions of old games on new engine with better graphics

[Sol]

There will 100% be a Ciri spinoff, to appease a certain group that demands "the female version of" everything. As a reminder, nobody in this group would advocate for "the male version of" every female star role ever made.

[Sol]

I would want to see a future - maybe Geralt is really old, or dead and the new character has new challenges. Maybe go to a different continent, it would be the Akavir of Elder Scrolls.

New trouble could always set about the land.

[eyecarrot19]

Game based of the book, the further developers goes off the book, than harder it will be to stick to the canon. So it better will be for me if they just remaster 1 and 2 Witcher

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Shadow:

There will 100% be a Ciri spinoff, to appease a certain group that demands "the female version of" everything. As a reminder, nobody in this group would advocate for "the male version of" every female star role ever made.

Ciri would be a logical continuation regardless, if you go with the witcher ending.

Originally posted by Shadow:

I would want to see a future - maybe Geralt is really old, or dead and the new character has new challenges. Maybe go to a different continent, it would be the Akavir of Elder Scrolls.

New trouble could always set about the land.

I would love a witcher game set in a different part of the world than Temeria and Touissant, but it would definitely be a step out of its narrative comfort zone, as the series is Polish.