Ciri Live Forever?

[pjedilord]

So will Ciri Live forever, or did i misunderstood?
Will Ciri powers improve? or get worst?

[rui.silva.incp]

Well......her fate can change depending on your choices inside the game.
Do not know if you want spoilers for the end game.

Book canon Ciri is not imortal.

Long story short.....she is not immortal. That much is granted. She does not even have long life span like Geralt. Contrary to Geralt, Ciri is no mutant. She did not take the drugs necessary to alter her genetics when she trained with the witchers. So she is just a very well trained and slightly enhanced human. Like...a big sports star or something like that. A superb athlete.

There is a point in the books where she explores magical abilities. Sorcerers are able to increase their lifespans through magic. However, Ciri as canceled most of her magical powers in book lore. In withcer 3 its not clear if she will ever again try magic and if she even can. Now the portals.....absolutely!!! That is in her blood and genetics so she is very able to do it and so far there is no reason for her to loose that power.

But she can die!!!! She absolutely can die.

[rui.silva.incp]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

And she has the power to travel through time and space, backwards and forwards and to other worlds. She's responsible for the Catriona plague that's on their world. She brought it back with her accidentally from one of the worlds she visited.

But yes, she's very much a mortal being.

:)

Her time travel abilities.....obviously the games did not want to go there. Its just too much overkill. I think even the book author ended up thinking the same. He pretty much tried to write that she could never properly control time travel. But its weird because she gets to control teleport into different worlds with ease.

Ohh well....its not Tolkien :)
In fact, the books have serious continuity issues. Stuff which is obvious he did not plan or got bored with it and did not know how to solve.

Ciri wise, her magical powers are also very weird.
To me its obvious the author wanted to have her learning magic with Yen. And glad he did because those interactions are some of the best character bonding in the whole books.
Problem arises that, what the author wishes to do with Ciri, has no use for her magical abilities. In fact, he just goes "and just like that, Ciri had no magical powers anymore".
This is......not the best writing ever lol
But hey....its not the worse either.

Long story short, these books have a remarkable world building. They are good in character build up too. But then....overall story arcs are just a mess. Some are good, some are just there, some just get lost somewhere, and some just get a very obvious deus ex machina and be done with it.

[rui.silva.incp]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Well, supposedly, the Catriona plague (which is akin to our bubonic plague or Black Death) meant that she may have traveled to our world during the Middle Ages. It could be argued that the game world exists during the same time as our Middle Ages but it's generally taken to be an example of her time travel to the past.

Certainly her description of visiting a world where people had metal in their heads and flew around the sky is taken to be a nod or Easter egg for Cyberpunk 2077 and the future.

She is known as the Lady of Time and Space for a reason.

Also agree that Sapkowski is not the best writer by a longshot. He's very inconsistent. Writes things one way, then later on, completely contradicts himself. Overall, the stories are interesting. If you don't pick them apart too much. Sadly, writing ought to stand up to close scrutiny, don't you think?

I have no problems with Spakowski. He is not perfect, he does not need to be perfect. I will be fine with discussing his limitations. But I still enjoyed his work. As I said, at least to me the world building and the character building was amazing. Top class!

I will admit I got a bit frustrated with The Lady of the Lake when I got to it :) I did! I texted a friend "this thing makes understand why maybe its better Martin never finishes his work. We may well get some weird rushed ending".
Which were my thought by the end of Lady of the Lake.

Still, I will not remove him the merits of fathering this world. It was a good enough work to inspire these Witcher games. These days we have the Netflix series coming out. So, whatever he did, he did something right.

Will he go into the world class best writers ever? Do not think so! But his books are still an interesting reading.

Back to Ciri, yes, I think its intended that she traveled in time to go catch our bubonic plague. That is a very interesting and realistic concept with traveling. Actually, even in our own world, there are major concern with carrying diseases, animals, even plants across long distances. And yes, it could pose some incredibly big issues in less advanced societies. Realistically, even mages teleporting around between kingdoms could easily start plagues everywhere. I suppose mages sterilize their surroundings when they teleport lol maybe that´s how they avoid it :p Hope Yen found time to teach Ciri about that now that she knows Ciri travels around.

The ciberpunk world, was it not just in the game? In the books she does travel well into the future of her own world. She actually goes and meets a future "sorcerer" twice at different times. Its a whole sub plot within The Lady of the Lake with this sorcerer trying to study history and realizing how can she help Ciri if Ciri ever shows up again. So, she absolutely travels in time within the books. Both past and future.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Certainly her description of visiting a world where people had metal in their heads and flew around the sky is taken to be a nod or Easter egg for Cyberpunk 2077 and the future.

She is known as the Lady of Time and Space for a reason.

Thanks, when did she say?
Ciri can kinda never die, if she time travel.

[every1hasnames]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Certainly her description of visiting a world where people had metal in their heads and flew around the sky is taken to be a nod or Easter egg for Cyberpunk 2077 and the future.

She is known as the Lady of Time and Space for a reason.

Thanks, when did she say?
Ciri can kinda never die, if she time travel.

She says it in a conversation you have when you find her. I think Its missable as you can end the conversation before she says this I believe. But I might be wrong about it being missable. I just know that you can either have a long conversation with her or you do a shorter conversation. Im not sure if its in both.

And no. ciri can die. and will. NOthing about ciri stops her from aging. Aside from her powers her body is like a normal humans.


She can be killed and if she lives for that long she will die of old age.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by every1hasnames:

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Thanks, when did she say?
Ciri can kinda never die, if she time travel.

She says it in a conversation you have when you find her. Its missable as you can end the conversation before she says this I believe.

And no. ciri can die. and will. NOthing about ciri stops her from aging. Aside from her powers her body is like a normal humans.


She can be killed and if she lives for that long she will die of old age.

If Ciri travels back in time wont she be younger?

[rui.silva.incp]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Certainly her description of visiting a world where people had metal in their heads and flew around the sky is taken to be a nod or Easter egg for Cyberpunk 2077 and the future.

She is known as the Lady of Time and Space for a reason.

Thanks, when did she say?
Ciri can kinda never die, if she time travel.

There is a place in Novigrad where you can get this info.

Its on the main quest line when you start to meet Triss. Triss will tell you to go look for a girl who can have magic dreams. Once you meet this girl, she will ask Geralt to tell her all about Ciri. You can pick all possible dialogue options to tell her more about Ciri. This will give you A LOT of Ciri and Geralt book story.

One of the things there is her Lady of the Worlds powers and Elder Blood.

It should also be noted that both in books and games, Ciri seems not to be able to control time travel. So she never uses it in a deliberate way. In the books she does it by accident sometimes.

[rui.silva.incp]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

She still has a lot of trouble controlling and focusing her powers. That's part of the story from The Battle of Kaer Morhen on, really. Even that explosion that destroyed that forest in Skellige was possibly due to Ciri's powers as she and Avallac'h were trying to escape the Wild Hunt. It was part of her frustration during her training sessions with him as well.

She can't control them so she flies off somewhere, anywhere and it's usually an unplanned destination.

In the games yes! I did not want to spoil it but yes.

However, in the books, she seems to teleport where she wants by the end. She takes Geralt and Yen´s bodies exactly where she wanted. She had visited that world before and she knew how to find it again.

Within her own world, her teleport ability is almost flawless. And this works within the game too. She teleport Geralt to KM with no issues and no doubts about it.

Its always a bit questionable what she controls and what she does not control.

The games also added her "destruction powers" which I guess was inspired on her mother. In fact, Ciri never displayed that in the books to any extent even near her mother. Geralt is a bit scared she might but she never shows it like her mother. In the books, its strongly implied that Yen put some kind of "limit" into how much Ciri channels magic energy and magical presences. Tough its also more or less implied some of these limits may have went away when she was captured and mentally probed by a girl with mind reading powers. Its after this specific event that Ciri first seems to start jumping in space and time. Her very first "jump" seems to have been on the run when badly injured. Visogota remarks her injuries do not match the dates she remembers to have been injured. So....something already seems to have happened there without her knowledge. My theory is that the girl who probed her mind broke some of the safety walls Yen had placed. It could also be that Ciri changed something when she was lost in the desert and messed a bit with magic. But her space and time powers do seem to only start manifesting after her capture and escape. Which makes really go for the idea that Yen had "blocked" it consciously or not and the mind reading girl unlocked a bit with no idea who she was messing with.

A lot of this is speculation however.

The author has this style of not being 100% clear with a lot of things. Which can be fun. Leaves us room to have theories.

[rui.silva.incp]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Agree with Sapkowski not always being very clear about most things. To me, it's more frustrating than fun. I sometimes wonder if puberty had something to do with her burgeoning powers and her inability to control them when she's extremely emotionally charged, which would make some sense I suppose.

Yen does have a tendency to use her magic to control people. She may have done something to Ciri. She certainly did plenty to Geralt.

But I think her destructive powers were clearly linked to what happened to Vesemir. She blamed herself entirely for that and for her inability to protect him. The prophecy certainly stated that the one of the Elder Blood could be the world's salvation or its destroyer so the power is definitely seen as potentially destructive, as it would have to be, if it were also capable of destroying something as devastating as the White Frost.

Yen was doing it to help Ciri.
Triss wanted to do something about it but could not. She told Geralt they needed to send Ciri to Yen for more help. Which they did.

Yen had a lot of work with Ciri and they explored some of her magical connections. Once you read the whole books, it becomes obvious Ciri in those events predicted everyone´s death. She was having some connection with a very evil magical spirit (maybe Falka) or with death itself. Whatever, it was death and destruction. So...going back to her time with Yen, it gets very emotional when you realize Yen maybe knew that it was death / destruction lurking behind magical doors. But she always told Ciri she would hold her hand and cross the door with her if she wanted. And she needed not be afraid because Yen would not leave her side.

Its a very beautiful passage once you realize everything which is going on. And it suddenly throws Yen into a whole new light. You realize how much Yen is really willing to sacrifice for someone she cares about. And its pretty much everything.

It also gives a very strong hint that Yen already considers Ciri her child.

This in turn is funny because from their first interactions you can be fooled that Yen dislikes her. However....is it? ;) Considering how she trained her from the start....I dare say Yen in fact immediately liked Ciri. Just....because she is Yen, she had to give Ciri a bit of a fight to see how she would deal with it.

There are hints of this too....like, when Ciri questions her if after all the boring talks and exercises, can she do magic or not. And Yen reveals that she has known from the very first moment that Ciri can perform magic. This moment is wonderful because it ends up they have been talking with telepathy without Ciri even noticing lol
Also, Yen keeps teasing Ciri calling her ugly one. But its pretty obvious its not what she thinks ;) There is an instance where she ends up telling Ciri that she has been blessed with genetics and does not need to change anything by magic. So...there you go, again, Yen has been toying around just to test Ciri ;)

Yen being Yen!!!!!! LOL

But the end game is, what she did with Ciri was ALWAYS with love and to try and help and protect her.