Fate of nonhumans

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If Radovid wins the war, what will become of dwarves in Mahakam and elves of Dol Blathana? Would his "blessed" legions of men and witch hunters march on their territory and try to achieve their so called "moral renuwal"?

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I don't think I could ever allow Radovid to win XD

From the first game i've played trying to remain neutral as is the Witchers way.. which often annoyed some people.

Sides get blury at times and sometimes you're not given much choice but to pick one.. which is one of the reasons I really enjoy these games.. for the difficult choices.

Radovid is an easy one though.. the man is power mad.. murderous.. racist.. a religious fanatic and straight up evil in Withcer 3.
I've been waiting for the chance to kill him since I first became aware of the monster he is now.

Plus it's a matter of self preservation.. Witchers are not regarded as human in his eyes.. so sooner or later he would come for them too.

That said as the game points out from the beginning.. the Witchers have decided that the Northen Realms are their backed side in this war.. and there's only one real way to achieve that outcome.. and that's by siding with Roche.

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haha actually the nilfs despise witchers and dont let them enter their cities and villages. if they win the war eskel, lambert and letho will die and please don't say something about toussaint because it is the only place where the nilfs do not dictate their laws. i never liked roche so i sided with iorveth and killed him no hard feelings. as for radovid he only wants to kill phillipa and gives their hierarch and his witch hunters money thats all. hemellfart wants to kill non humans not radovid. as for their mages it depends on your ending in witcher 2.

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True they do.. but as always a good problem beyond human hands typically ends with one being summoned.

I've no doubt the nilfs will be forced on many occasions to rely on Witchers.. and I doubt Emhyr would order Witchers hunted down and murdered when his own daughter is one of them.
Or would she allow such a thing if she was to succeed him.

It's also said in the ending if you sided with Roche that while Nilfgaard did win the war Emhyr being unwilling to continue loosing assets eventually agrees to restore the lands of Temaria thanks to Roche's constant guerrilla attacks.

I don't recall my ending for Witcher 2.. I did side with Iorveth over Roche then.. but I did not kill Roche or Letho..
I did however allow Síle de Tansarville to get ripped apart by her own magic... because she was a ***** and it was hilarious XD

Radovid's hatred for mages and non humans is very clear in Witcher 3 though.
Killing him off will be a pleasure even if it does mean Nilfgaard rule for a short time before Roche can gain some level of freedom for the Temarian region.
Hemmelfart is another racist that's true but unfortunately the game doesn't allow you to murder him (Curse you for that CDPR :P) or his cult of fanatical, racist aholes.
At least by getting rid of Radovid we do some damage to their cult.. financially etc.. though my hope is that once Nilfgaard does take control of Novigrad they sack the temple and destroy the cult.. but i'm not sure if that actually happens or not.. i've not completed the game or played the DLCs yet.
On the plus side we do get to slaughter a bunch of Witch Hunters and burn down their base so.. Yay! :D

[♠ Radovid V. ♠]

Originally posted by Nilos:

as for radovid he only wants to kill phillipa and gives their hierarch and his witch hunters money thats all. hemellfart wants to kill non humans not radovid. as for their mages it depends on your ending in witcher 2.

True that, not many people do realize that. Btw if you complete one side quest in Novigrad (hidden message of Nilfgardian kind I think) you get a note explaining that Radovid supports witch hunters and cult of the Eternal Fire only for getting an easier acces to Novigrad and eventually capturing it whole → which gives him higher position in war. As for the witch hunts, they stop after 4 years according to books so yeah Radovids ending is the canon ending.

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I have an interesting question: How many elves, halflings and dwarves are seen in Toussaint portrayal in TW3?

Originally posted by ♠ The Governor ♠:

Originally posted by Nilos:

as for radovid he only wants to kill phillipa and gives their hierarch and his witch hunters money thats all. hemellfart wants to kill non humans not radovid. as for their mages it depends on your ending in witcher 2.

True that, not many people do realize that. Btw if you complete one side quest in Novigrad (hidden message of Nilfgardian kind I think) you get a note explaining that Radovid supports witch hunters and cult of the Eternal Fire only for getting an easier acces to Novigrad and eventually capturing it whole → which gives him higher position in war. As for the witch hunts, they stop after 4 years according to books so yeah Radovids ending is the canon ending.

First part is true, Radovid reason for supporting the eternal fire is basically gaining popularity within Novigrad citizens. Population fears nonhumans and sorcerers, so they demand them executed or they execute or bully them themselves.

As far as canon go things are clear. Books and videogames has been stated many times are different. Books are the canon acknowledged by Sapkowski. The games are not canon, they just cherry pick some aspects, arcs and conclusions of the books that were interesting for CDPR to build their own story for the games, they don't intend to continue the books, even CDPR acknowledges this...is not only a Sapkowski's whim.

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Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Mad though he is, he is above all else, a brilliant strategist.

Might be the greatest strategist actually in the whole Witcher universe... To be honest, I hadn't view him as insane at the first sight in Witcher 3 while having a talk in chess club → I picked the right conversation options tho . But after I've seen his reaction to Geralt saying :"Yes, Sire, believe I do.", then he just went nuts.

Fun fact, did you lads know that Radovid is only 20 years old in Witcher 3? Dunno whether it's the baldness, stress from war or insanity that makes him look over 30.

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Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

No clue. I don't recall many, to be honest, but then again, I only played it once.

Only the Chianfanelli bank dwarves. No elves, no halflings. Is one of the things CDPR took from
the books, where is told that in Toussaint non-human were banished, IIRC in the times of dutchess Ademarta. I guess the deal was more or less or being expelled or visiting the hangman...

Rest of the Niilfgardian empire is not even thoroughly portrayed, but safe guessing is that non-human situation in the Empire is nothing of a problem because they dealt with it in the more or less same fashion than Toussaint and the fashion in which the North is doing in present times.

What I mean is that Niilfgardian modern state comes from their powerful economic/productive engine, not from being a more tolerant and/or fair state. So saying that Niilfgard is socially better than the North is missreading the depiction of both societies, they are human states and they care only for humans, other races are just tolerated by a minority of the people who can change nothing in the great picture of things.

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Yeah, the thing is Sapkowski doesn't seem all that interested in continuing the story himself. He hasn't written a single word to follow up on the events in The Lady of the Lake for years. His most recent book is set much earlier, between the stories told in The Last Wish.

The tale of Geralt of Rivia, Cirilla of Cintra and Yennefer of Vergenberg is already finished. I really don't see loose threads from which Sapkowski could continue telling something beyond the last events of "The Lady of The Lake" unless he decides to tell an altogether new story.

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That was not a rare practice in medieval times.

You do know how for example the Habsburgs were so inbred many of them had birth defects, right? The War of the Spanish Sucession happened because the king was a complete mess and left no heirs.

Marriage in the past is a totally different thing from today.

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Originally posted by Teratus:

True they do.. but as always a good problem beyond human hands typically ends with one being summoned.

I've no doubt the nilfs will be forced on many occasions to rely on Witchers.. and I doubt Emhyr would order Witchers hunted down and murdered when his own daughter is one of them.
Or would she allow such a thing if she was to succeed him.

It's also said in the ending if you sided with Roche that while Nilfgaard did win the war Emhyr being unwilling to continue loosing assets eventually agrees to restore the lands of Temaria thanks to Roche's constant guerrilla attacks.

I don't recall my ending for Witcher 2.. I did side with Iorveth over Roche then.. but I did not kill Roche or Letho..
I did however allow Síle de Tansarville to get ripped apart by her own magic... because she was a ***** and it was hilarious XD

Radovid's hatred for mages and non humans is very clear in Witcher 3 though.
Killing him off will be a pleasure even if it does mean Nilfgaard rule for a short time before Roche can gain some level of freedom for the Temarian region.
Hemmelfart is another racist that's true but unfortunately the game doesn't allow you to murder him (Curse you for that CDPR :P) or his cult of fanatical, racist aholes.
At least by getting rid of Radovid we do some damage to their cult.. financially etc.. though my hope is that once Nilfgaard does take control of Novigrad they sack the temple and destroy the cult.. but i'm not sure if that actually happens or not.. i've not completed the game or played the DLCs yet.
On the plus side we do get to slaughter a bunch of Witch Hunters and burn down their base so.. Yay! :D

well, well, well actually it is emhyr who gives these orders and he doesn't trust witchers. ciri is not a witcher so that makes no sense. She won't be their empress because Emhyr is married with false Ciri he cannot just say " she is my daughter cause that would mean like civil war and Morvran Voorhis has more rights to their throne than Ciri and Emhyr put togheter. their temerian resistance only robbed their own temerian subjects thats all. emhyr made his deal with thaler because without them he won't win the war. Thanks to Radovid not roche. Spending tons of florens for temeria is not good for their economy and emhyr betrayed them with his deal before so he would just annex their lands sooner or later. so the story repeats itself again. If they win the war they will drive redanians off and bring in their own settlers and so on. According to the letters they started to do it in Aedirn. Also they're not tolerant at all. As for uncle Rad, he doesnt hate non humans but only mages.

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Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by Nilos:

haha actually the nilfs despise witchers and dont let them enter their cities and villages. if they win the war eskel, lambert and letho will die and please don't say something about toussaint because it is the only place where the nilfs do not dictate their laws. i never liked roche so i sided with iorveth and killed him no hard feelings. as for radovid he only wants to kill phillipa and gives their hierarch and his witch hunters money thats all. hemellfart wants to kill non humans not radovid. as for their mages it depends on your ending in witcher 2.

No, W2 is completely disregarded as far as the majority of the choices made by the player in W3. Doesn't matter what you did with the mages in W2, they will be the hunted ones in W3. Helping Triss get them away to Kovir will turn the witch hunters' attention to non-humans. If you don't help the mages escape, you'll see them burning all over Novigrad.

no it didnt. If you side with Triss in Witcher 2 Radovid will burn only free mages. Basically he will have their nilfgaardian policy for mages if you choose Triss. He uses the Conclave against the nilfs. Also according to Margarita the Conclave told Radovid to burn Aretuza and side with Hierarch in order to get a lot of money for Redania https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2EZY6s34pA

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Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by ♠ The Governor ♠:

Pointing someone as the best king is just a matter of opinion. But yes I liked him too. For me the best king is Foltest, Radovid V, then Henselt. I kinda blame CDPR that they butchered such an interesting character and made him mad. But I guess it wouldn’t sit very well if Radovid was the good guy in Third Northern War, none would choose to support Nilfgaard then. They had to make the story and decisions more interesting.

Foltest had created a mess by fathering two illegitimate children and refusing to legally acknowledge them which then plunged his own country into a civil war. Hardly a wise move for any ruler, let alone one who can plainly see that his land is being invaded by Nilfgaard. That should have polarized him to put the needs of his people first before his ego and find a way to protect them.

Radovid certainly was far more rational and sane in W1 and W2 and I'm not still not clear why CDPR chose to have him dive into the deep end in W3. Then again, I'm still struggling with quite a few of the story choices they've made with the games.

The thing is they always portrayed John Natalis as the hero of the North and yet all they did was to paint him as completely ineffectual especially in W3. No ruler in W3 can be viewed as good or benevolent. Dijkstra would rule with the same iron hand as Emhyr does and he shares his ambition for dominating the entire North as well. Radovid is simply too mad to trust with any promise and Emhyr is still out for revenge which is what worries me most when it comes to the Ciri as empress scenario. Just what dark plans is Emhyr waiting to hatch from behind the scenes?

They did make it more interesting but also far more unsettling since none of them hold much promise for a decent outcome for the North. If Radovid is dead and Emhyr honors the pact he made with Temeria, they'll come out alright but hardly anyone else in the North will. If Ciri becomes empress, I'm sure she'll do what she can but so long as Emhyr lives I can't see any changes she manages to make having any lasting impact or being of any consequence that would serve to undo what he's done for the past three wars.

It's a bleak outcome for all involved, no matter who comes out on top.

Nah Dijikstra wouldnt. He only rasied their quality of life against their will thats all. Unlike Emhyr Dijikstra doesn't have slavery, totalitarian laws, serfdom and he doesn't drive natives off their lands and so on. Dijikstra wants to help every other country unlike Emhyr so it makes sense to dominate the entire north for him. Ciri becomes his puppet and Emhyr just continues his war and enslave other northren countries. As for their temeria heh good luck to be betrayed again.

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Originally posted by ♠ The Governor ♠:

Originally posted by Nilos:

as for radovid he only wants to kill phillipa and gives their hierarch and his witch hunters money thats all. hemellfart wants to kill non humans not radovid. as for their mages it depends on your ending in witcher 2.

True that, not many people do realize that. Btw if you complete one side quest in Novigrad (hidden message of Nilfgardian kind I think) you get a note explaining that Radovid supports witch hunters and cult of the Eternal Fire only for getting an easier acces to Novigrad and eventually capturing it whole → which gives him higher position in war. As for the witch hunts, they stop after 4 years according to books so yeah Radovids ending is the canon ending.

yes. i think geralt would just break his leg again instead of telling him something about ciri. so uncle radovid wins the war.

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I know this is out of topic, but what endings did you guys get? Spoiler free :)