Gwent immersion breaking

[[KO19] Davide]

Hi. A friend of mine says that gwent is immersion breaking, since it features important characters of the game and has pictures of them.

I don't think it is such big of a deal, but has Gwent been explained at any point of the game, and I've simply missed it?? I want to convince him to stream the game again. He cares a lot about immersion & consistency in series.

In Witcher 1&2 you had Dice, which was self-explanatory and simple.

EDIT: Thread closed. If you want to add something you can, but I won't comment on it anymore

We've come to this inclusion (short version): Most casual players don't give a damn about gwent. They just like it that there is a simple/fun game added into the game, but since they don't care (that much) about immersion they are ok with it.

If you are no casual gamer, and care a lot about immersion you can either accept the explanation that Geralt & other characters are famous throughout the world and thus printed on the cards or simply use the "Immersive Gwent" Mod which fixed the problems introduced by the vanilla gwent.

Thanks for the people who actually care about immersion&consistency for sharing your experience and opinion on this subject.

[[KO19] Davide]

Publicado originalmente por protëin:

#firstworldproblems
Don't play Gwent if you don't like it, simple as that. Never understood people crying so much about something that is totally optional and can be ignored at will without feeling left out of something. It's nowhere as immersion breaking as people claim it to be, just enjoy it and have some fun.

And by the way. I did enjoy the game a lot (despite its flaws), but I understand the streamer (about which I was talking about) that it CAN be immersion breaking, if you care a lot about these things in particular.

[[KO19] Davide]

Publicado originalmente por Awka Liwen:

How did you even miss the enormous bald historian at the first inn? Can you even go out without triggering his conversation?

It is not lore wise explained, look at the above comments.

[Stanley]

I think the problem arises because you d need high quality precision printing machines to produce gwent cards.

I dont care. Its a game.

[DarkInvader]

Publicado originalmente por Stanley:

I think the problem arises because you d need high quality precision printing machines to produce gwent cards.

I dont care. Its a game.

but they already use books :/ there are libraries filled with thousands of them. Where's the problem to print/paint the cards the same way?

[Stanley]

Publicado originalmente por DarkInvader:

Publicado originalmente por Stanley:

I think the problem arises because you d need high quality precision printing machines to produce gwent cards.

I dont care. Its a game.

but they already use books :/ there are libraries filled with thousands of them. Where's the problem to print/paint the cards the same way?

Have you seen the cards? Its one thing to write books which was done since the middle ages but another to paint thousands of highly detailed cards.

[protëin]

Publicado originalmente por God Emperor Donald J. Trump I:

Publicado originalmente por protëin:

#firstworldproblems
Don't play Gwent if you don't like it, simple as that. Never understood people crying so much about something that is totally optional and can be ignored at will without feeling left out of something. It's nowhere as immersion breaking as people claim it to be, just enjoy it and have some fun.

So critisism = crying nowadays? Ok. You contribute nothing to the discussion. "Just ignore that the game has totally immersion breaking parts and close your eyes whenever you see them" Well thank you!

Sorry, apparently criticism = shit talk the game and over exaggerating things.
I do care about immersion. I also care about enjoying the hundreds of hours the game offers without flipping my shit as soon I see a typo in one of the books hidden in someone's basement.

"Just ignore that the game has totally immersion breaking parts and close your eyes whenever you see them" Well thank you!

Since we still only talk about Gwent which is far from being totally immersion breaking (or just being immersion breaking for that matter); You're welcome!
It's a game, not a documentary. Immersion is a big part of RPGS but games can only do so much to help the player with that without sacrificing the enjoyment of the actual gameplay. If such simple things as a card game that actually makes sense in the lore bothers you this much, then it's your own fault.

[Cigam]

"It's like sitting down to play poker and all the face cards are rock stars or serial killers. It's just odd as hell. Even odder still to be sitting there playing cards with your friends and all of your faces are on the cards."

In the Real World there is the Top Trumps series of gaming cards which feature real cars and real trains and so on, as well as the fantasy and monster decks. So it wouldn't take that much of a leap for cards featuring real people to come out.

Maybe this is what has happened in this World. People who are famous or semi-famous get immortalised as a Gwent playing card. Their "Top Trumps" have gone one step further than purs :)

[[KO19] Davide]

Publicado originalmente por protëin:

Publicado originalmente por God Emperor Donald J. Trump I:

So critisism = crying nowadays? Ok. You contribute nothing to the discussion. "Just ignore that the game has totally immersion breaking parts and close your eyes whenever you see them" Well thank you!

Sorry, apparently criticism = shit talk the game and over exaggerating things.
I do care about immersion. I also care about enjoying the hundreds of hours the game offers without flipping my shit as soon I see a typo in one of the books hidden in someone's basement.

"Just ignore that the game has totally immersion breaking parts and close your eyes whenever you see them" Well thank you!

Since we still only talk about Gwent which is far from being totally immersion breaking (or just being immersion breaking for that matter); You're welcome!
It's a game, not a documentary. Immersion is a big part of RPGS but games can only do so much to help the player with that without sacrificing the enjoyment of the actual gameplay. If such simple things as a card game that actually makes sense in the lore bothers you this much, then it's your own fault.

I agree partly with you. He is very immersed into games. "Normal" players like us will never fully understand his way of thinking, but you should respect that also.

[[KO19] Davide]

Publicado originalmente por Cigam:

"It's like sitting down to play poker and all the face cards are rock stars or serial killers. It's just odd as hell. Even odder still to be sitting there playing cards with your friends and all of your faces are on the cards."

In the Real World there is the Top Trumps series of gaming cards which feature real cars and real trains and so on, as well as the fantasy and monster decks. So it wouldn't take that much of a leap for cards featuring real people to come out.

Maybe this is what has happened in this World. People who are famous or semi-famous get immortalised as a Gwent playing card. Their "Top Trumps" have gone one step further than purs :)

Yeah, that's a good explanation actually, which I adopted at some point. They should have explained it somehow though.

[meep_meep]

Haha you folks take this too seriously. You know what breaks my immersion? The fact that after I die I can revive myself and carry on. Games aren't realistic lol.

[[KO19] Davide]

Publicado originalmente por Samantha Traynor:

Haha you folks take this too seriously. You know what breaks my immersion? The fact that after I die I can revive myself and carry on. Games aren't realistic lol.

The streamer I am talking about plays the game in Ironman mode, that means that once you die, you cannot reload (You had this mode in Witcher 2 available, it corrupted your save game after you died) So instead he deletes the save manually if he dies.

Guess I should have mentioned that before LOL

EDIT: He already finished Witcher 1&2 in Ironman and several other games. It means you are very immersed in the game, and watch every step.

[Sweg]

God I can't believe I'm reading this. There are people who actually complain that you start at level one? As you should and as every game ever has done?

[Duncan]

Publicado originalmente por Sweg:

As you should and as every game ever has done?

Thats hardly an argument.
Besides, there are RPG who did it differently, take Planet Alcatraz 2 for example, you have options to start the game with a developed character because by lore your hero is developed. But you can develop him even further in the course of the game.

[Sweg]

Publicado originalmente por Duncan:

Publicado originalmente por Sweg:

As you should and as every game ever has done?

Thats hardly an argument.
Besides, there are RPG who did it differently, take Planet Alcatraz 2 for example, you have options to start the game with a developed character because by lore your hero is developed. But you can develop him even further in the course of the game.

The developers of the game described that mode as "nearly maxed combat skills from the start of the game, letting you to concentrate on the story."

Basically, they put it in as an easy mode for people who don't care about actual gameplay but rather want to just experience the game's story.

[Draughir]

I seem to remember the Mass Effect games starting you out at your previous level if you imported the saves too.

I don't mind starting at level one. I don't mind starting near max. That seems to be something that never fully carried over from PnP RPGs.

But-in a series like Witcher, where you are literally following a character's story from different parts of his life; it would be nice to see something that reflects the fact that this character is indeed an experienced monster-slayer. A few extra skill points to start with, or pick a branch of the skill tree to unlock. Maybe unlock a tier or two of the general skills. Something.