do the choices matter?

[burgerneck]

not too big on story and plan on playing casually

[Rain]

If you are not invested in the story, why buy one of the most story driven RPGs out there? No point in playing then

[Zachno]

the choices do matter, but it's not like the game stops if you make the wrong choices, the narrative is liquid and will reflect the choices you've made. The ripples on the water can't really change the shape of the lake.

[burgerneck]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

If you plan on skipping the cutscenes and speeding through the dialogues without giving a second thought to the situations you find yourself in, you might as well go play something else. This one is heavily reliant on story and if you're going to be casual about you, you won't be getting much from it. It's not a hack 'n' slash type of game.

There's a lot of backstory there, even taking into consideration that this is the third and final part of a trilogy of games in a series. It always amazes me how people get sucked in by the hype and want to play a game that's the last in a series when they never gave a damn about the previous two games... then later come back here either bemoaning how they couldn't get into it or were bored to tears by it.

Choices do matter but guess what? It kind of helps to understand the context, otherwise you're just picking A, B or C just for the hell of it. So what the hell is the point of that?

some poeple play games too idk.. play? others play them for story? might as well read a book at that point...

[Kyojuro Rengoku]

Originally posted by Rain:

If you are not invested in the story, why buy one of the most story driven RPGs out there? No point in playing then

[burgerneck]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by N.W.O.:

some poeple play games too idk.. play? others play them for story? might as well read a book at that point...

Thing is would you read a book by only reading every fifth page? Or turn to the final chapter and only read that? It's basically the same thing when you jump into a story for the final part and not really give a damn about the story. You won't get much out of it. But if that's what floats your boat, so be it. I just can't see going through life like that. Takes all kinds, I suppose.

May I ask why you even are concerned if your choices matter when the story doesn't matter to you to begin with? I mean that's kind of silly and going against what you claim to be your preferred way of playing -- you know, just for fun and not really pay any attention to the story.

So what does it matter who lives or who dies, who wins or who loses, who succeeds or who fails? You don't care about the story enough to even want to know what it is but you're curious if your choices matter? Why should that matter to you?

In skyrim, you get choices and rewarded in a skill for choosing to say a particular response. what is the point in playing a game where the options mean nothing. here it seems like theres a cutscene for every response, in which the outcome is identical.

[patyos]

Choices matter alot and even choices from previous games matter.

[v0]

Originally posted by N.W.O.:

not too big on story and plan on playing casually

wont spoil it for you. answer's yes superficially they do. compared to best rpgs unfortunately there's no substantial story branching in tw3.

[Russty]

Originally posted by tipsy:

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

and all what most people can remember of witcher 3 story are the horrible softporn scenes.

Really! I agree they were pointless pieces designed to titillate, I doubt its all what most people remember from it.

[burgerneck]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by tipsy:

Dou you feel personally insulted if someone doesn't like something about witcher 3?
If they don't want to enjoy the well made story or whatever, does it hurt you? These threads are pointless anyway and all what most people can remember of witcher 3 story are the horrible softporn scenes.

I personally find it astounding how some people can be duped into believing the game is greater than it is. It has an entertaining story, to be certain, but it is so uneven that it's laughable in places.

If they don't want to enjoy a story-driven game, it just reinforces the notion that they are idiots because they want to play a story-driven game while choosing to ignore the story. These are, in fact, two entirely different points. But at the heart of it, is a person who wants a purely action game and is literally wasting their time playing a game like this.

Will it keep me up at night? Hell, no. I don't lose sleep over fools and their decisions. I just question why they choose to broadcast to the world just how stupid they really are. What it does, is provide me with a ton of amusement, as does your comment.

Originally posted by Russty:

Oh and you quoted the wrong person. tipsy wrote that brilliant observation about what most people remember from it are the softporn scenes. Except, you know, for those people who chose to ignore the sex altogether and, yeah, I know it's sacrilege to say this -- FOCUSED ON THE DAMN STORY INSTEAD.

The sex is thrown in there purely for the tween set who can't get the real thing and have to resort to pixelated sex to get their rocks off.

"this game is a masterpiece, anyone who doesnt appreciate it is an idiot." i think you play too many single player games. to be honest, i thought i was buying divinity original sin 2. As you see, I could care less about story. Both games look the same both games have good ratings. I wanted an rpg game, not a movie disguised as a video game. Im sure this game is "good" but they lost me after fiddling for an hour trying to get the game to save and then watching the same cutscenes and getting bored when it asked me to talk to peasants about some woman. and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cutscenes already dont make sense.... you're training some little girl and then she gets frozen and killed? was it a dream? did any of those cutscene choices even matter? why not just show the damn cutscene and not have you participate in the story?

[Russty]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by tipsy:

Dou you feel personally insulted if someone doesn't like something about witcher 3?
If they don't want to enjoy the well made story or whatever, does it hurt you? These threads are pointless anyway and all what most people can remember of witcher 3 story are the horrible softporn scenes.

I personally find it astounding how some people can be duped into believing the game is greater than it is. It has an entertaining story, to be certain, but it is so uneven that it's laughable in places.

If they don't want to enjoy a story-driven game, it just reinforces the notion that they are idiots because they want to play a story-driven game while choosing to ignore the story. These are, in fact, two entirely different points. But at the heart of it, is a person who wants a purely action game and is literally wasting their time playing a game like this.

Will it keep me up at night? Hell, no. I don't lose sleep over fools and their decisions. I just question why they choose to broadcast to the world just how stupid they really are. What it does, is provide me with a ton of amusement, as does your comment.

Originally posted by Russty:

Really! I agree they were pointless pieces designed to titillate, I doubt its all what most people remember from it.

Oh and you quoted the wrong person. tipsy wrote that brilliant observation about what most people remember from it are the softporn scenes. Except, you know, for those people who chose to ignore the sex altogether and, yeah, I know it's sacrilege to say this -- FOCUSED ON THE DAMN STORY INSTEAD.

The sex is thrown in there purely for the tween set who can't get the real thing and have to resort to pixelated sex to get their rocks off.

Edit: There, I fixed the quote.

My bad Buzzardbee I didnt edit it correctly sorry

[Simple Kind of Man]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by tipsy:

Dou you feel personally insulted if someone doesn't like something about witcher 3?
If they don't want to enjoy the well made story or whatever, does it hurt you? These threads are pointless anyway and all what most people can remember of witcher 3 story are the horrible softporn scenes.

I personally find it astounding how some people can be duped into believing the game is greater than it is. It has an entertaining story, to be certain, but it is so uneven that it's laughable in places.

If they don't want to enjoy a story-driven game, it just reinforces the notion that they are idiots because they want to play a story-driven game while choosing to ignore the story. These are, in fact, two entirely different points. But at the heart of it, is a person who wants a purely action game and is literally wasting their time playing a game like this.

Will it keep me up at night? Hell, no. I don't lose sleep over fools and their decisions. I just question why they choose to broadcast to the world just how stupid they really are. What it does, is provide me with a ton of amusement, as does your comment.

Originally posted by Russty:

Really! I agree they were pointless pieces designed to titillate, I doubt its all what most people remember from it.

Oh and you quoted the wrong person. tipsy wrote that brilliant observation about what most people remember from it are the softporn scenes. Except, you know, for those people who chose to ignore the sex altogether and, yeah, I know it's sacrilege to say this -- FOCUSED ON THE DAMN STORY INSTEAD.

The sex is thrown in there purely for the tween set who can't get the real thing and have to resort to pixelated sex to get their rocks off.

Edit: There, I fixed the quote.

i like how some guys will let them selfs be duped into thinking a game is wors then it is

[burgerneck]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by Lord_of_Death:

i like how some guys will let them selfs be duped into thinking a game is wors then it is

Seriously, do you think CDPR released over 29GB worth of patches and hotfixes because they were bored?? Or maybe their game had so many issues, they had to rewrite major portions of the code just to try and fix them.

That the loudest voices on the internet insist something is perfect does not negate the softer voices complaining about issues they're having with the game. And continue to have to this day.

In fact, so many of those patches that were meant to fix issues, created new one instead. Some things took literally months to fix and some things remain broken to this day.

So, please, continue to buy into the hype. You're exactly the sort of fool the gaming industry is relying on buying their games. Just don't forget that sometimes the backlash can be fierce and cause some companies to go under or shut down studios in response to the negativity surrounding their disastrous games. Just look at Bioware and how they effectively killed off the Mass Effect series due to their incompetence at handling the Mass Effect 3 debacle and the Mass Effect Andromeda meltdown.

It can happen to any studio, any time. And all the fanboys in the world won't stop that. TW3 is a flawed game. It is not perfect nor is it a masterpiece. There is absolutely nothing special about it other than the fact that it has a penchant for attracting the biggest idiots in the world who believe whatever the marketing for it proclaims.

Don't believe me? Then read these forums, my friend. Read CDPR's forums. Read reddit. And you'll see plenty of people complaining and begging for help with their game: crashes, unable to save, NPCs that aren't where they're supposed to be, infinite loading screens, inability to progress in a quest and the list goes on and on.

The damn game was actually more stable when it was first released. I ought to know. I bought and played it back then. Most of the folks here now have just come to the game and think it's some kind of masterpiece that they've been missing out on. So when the reality of the issues hits them, they're confused as hell. All those rave reviews, all those sales and they find themselve disappointed because of the gameplay, the combat, the issues, the sheer number of cutscenes, etc.

so... why do people like this game? what keeps you clocking hours? the story? if that's the case, I'm just going to et a refund and try divinity. I would have kept this game but your argument made it clear this game is only for a certain type of... gamer. I prefer multiplayer games even though they are plagued by cheaters and toxic communities. I like the sense of skill involved in some multiplayers games. I'd rather think quick and make quick decisions rather than listen to some fools raspy voice and click through dialogues all day.

[Exarch_Alpha]

It´s the sum of parts, the game itself never excels in any particular way. Definitedly not the best action but... it´s good. Same with voice acting and the music.

If you like RPGs with parties then Divinity might be better (I personally didn´t like the first but I can see why some people like it. So many crazy stuff and options).

[deidian]

BuzzardBee, you have a quite strict concept of masterpiece. I'm someone who almost never(for not saying never actually) deems tags like "masterpiece" or "perfect" but neither I feel I should jump if people says "X" is a masterpiece. But I understand when someone says masterpiece does not mean perfect, because perfection doesn't exist and because usually "masterpiece" is a tittle given comparatively, that is, a mirror for other things of it's time or to come, but since perfection does not exist, the reflection to look upon may be only some parts, not even the full work.

TLOZ: Ocarina of Time was a masterpiece in the late 90s, but today is just a good and interesting game, because there are simply a ton of adventure games that did, perfected and even added to what OOT meant at his time. The same fate will befall to any game as years pass.

As far as bugs a rivers of tears due to them go, since I roam steam forums of diverse games I'm still to see a forum where there's not a sizeable amount of threads of someone angry complaining about some issue or bug he/she ran into. This is just easy, people gets overly mad when they cannot play due to an issue and it looks like a mountain because how retarded they behave instead staying calm and finding a solution. Is what happens and always will happen on PC, on a console the developer is in control of everything, same OS, same hardware, same drivers, same installed APPS. If just doesn't work is actually very bad because they do their tests in the same environment the player will have in their houses. On PC no, doesn't work that way: everyone has their hardware, their OS, their driver version, their installed APPS that may conflict and still the most important element is missing: user negligence like attempting to run in potato hardware, PCs with lots of years and 0 maintenance, or just running in a laptop tagged as multimedia.

So you should take it easy when people says it's a masterpiece, whether they troll or not. That's what I think.

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

It´s the sum of parts, the game itself never excels in any particular way. Definitedly not the best action but... it´s good. Same with voice acting and the music.

If you like RPGs with parties then Divinity might be better (I personally didn´t like the first but I can see why some people like it. So many crazy stuff and options).

You are both right and wrong. The sums of all parts indeed is good but it has is strenghs:

-The characterizations are great for being a videogame, despite the characters don't match their novel counterparts in complexity, as I say for being a videogame characters are astonishingly well portrayed.

-The story is great, at least for being a videogame. Sure, it has it's cliche moments, but cliche = success, that's why they are repeated over an over. The key is finding balance between risk and safe bet. Is a bussiness after all.

-The animation system is damn clever and works like a charm. For me is a technical marvel and clever, very clever. You have action games like Tomb Raiders in which they push the bar to the sky with motion capture, all cinematics are fully intepreted by a live actor. In that games that works because we are talking about 3 hours maybe of cinematics for a 20-30 hour game. TW3 main story has around 15 hours of cinematics, then you still have all minor interactions with NPCs, which are animated and with closeups...fully interpreted with motion capture...costs would be insane. CDPR solution: they motion captured expressions, don't know how, maybe only a handful of cinematics were made by real actors, specifically tailored to cover a wide range of expressions. Then they cut down the interesting expressions and every animation is a short recording of a live actor. After that they trained an AI and it created the sequences or chains of animations you see in every character during cinematics, I guess that then they took the toil on supervising the AI work on chaining expressions to ensure all was ok. The result in still very good, but within a reasonable budget for the amount of cinematics. This is more personal, but again, comparatively to Tomb Raider in animations, while Tomb Raider focuses faces like crazy due to how accurate is full motion capture in TW3 they still had to rely in hand gestures and poses to fully convey the mood of the character and I like that. People "talks" too with hands and their pose.

-No one need to say the grahics are astonishing, and that's a part of the game too. Time took it's toil, sure, specially since VRAM amounts increased in GPUs. TW3(vanilla) comparatively to games of today suffers a lot from texture definition due to being constrained in VRAM usage, but mods solve it the same way they make a game as crappy as Skyrim grafically, look beatiful.

-The alchemy system is still very good and one of the few alchemy systems in an RPG in that is worth and fun to play with it. It could be even better if many potions with interesting effects were working as intended, but the alchemy concept they came with the franchise is still one of the best I have seen in RPGs.

-The choices are not that bad, but people for me loses the focus that the game intends to be story-driven, which means that consequences are at story level, not at world level or regarding your character. That's why many resolutions after you took your choices are told as a sort of tale, which also mirrors partially the novel saga the games from: the major point of Sapkowski narrative is how Geralt, Yennefer and Ciri's story became a unified tale from little stories scattered around the world of the witcher which had something in common: these 3 characters being involved, alone or together.
Special mention to the job they take into masking the consequences of the choices instead of stating them in a straighforward fashion so you take the more convenient choice(for you).

Most other aspects of the game are just ok, they provide a serviceable experience. There's bugs, sure, and from a game so big like TW3 you can expect them more than other smaller releases.

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by N.W.O.:

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Seriously, do you think CDPR released over 29GB worth of patches and hotfixes because they were bored?? Or maybe their game had so many issues, they had to rewrite major portions of the code just to try and fix them.

That the loudest voices on the internet insist something is perfect does not negate the softer voices complaining about issues they're having with the game. And continue to have to this day.

In fact, so many of those patches that were meant to fix issues, created new one instead. Some things took literally months to fix and some things remain broken to this day.

So, please, continue to buy into the hype. You're exactly the sort of fool the gaming industry is relying on buying their games. Just don't forget that sometimes the backlash can be fierce and cause some companies to go under or shut down studios in response to the negativity surrounding their disastrous games. Just look at Bioware and how they effectively killed off the Mass Effect series due to their incompetence at handling the Mass Effect 3 debacle and the Mass Effect Andromeda meltdown.

It can happen to any studio, any time. And all the fanboys in the world won't stop that. TW3 is a flawed game. It is not perfect nor is it a masterpiece. There is absolutely nothing special about it other than the fact that it has a penchant for attracting the biggest idiots in the world who believe whatever the marketing for it proclaims.

Don't believe me? Then read these forums, my friend. Read CDPR's forums. Read reddit. And you'll see plenty of people complaining and begging for help with their game: crashes, unable to save, NPCs that aren't where they're supposed to be, infinite loading screens, inability to progress in a quest and the list goes on and on.

The damn game was actually more stable when it was first released. I ought to know. I bought and played it back then. Most of the folks here now have just come to the game and think it's some kind of masterpiece that they've been missing out on. So when the reality of the issues hits them, they're confused as hell. All those rave reviews, all those sales and they find themselve disappointed because of the gameplay, the combat, the issues, the sheer number of cutscenes, etc.

so... why do people like this game? what keeps you clocking hours? the story? if that's the case, I'm just going to et a refund and try divinity. I would have kept this game but your argument made it clear this game is only for a certain type of... gamer. I prefer multiplayer games even though they are plagued by cheaters and toxic communities. I like the sense of skill involved in some multiplayers games. I'd rather think quick and make quick decisions rather than listen to some fools raspy voice and click through dialogues all day.

Diviniity Original Sin is turn based, story centered game. You are not going to be making quick decisions, and you will be clicking through dialogue, lots of it.

You should avoid Story based RPGs like Witcher and Divinitiy Original Sin, and play the pseudo RPGs called Hack and Slash like Dark Souls and Diablo.