Hearts of Stone Big Plot hole?

[MCubed]

Why couldn't Olgierd just ask Geralt to free him of his contract with O'Dimm?

If you played hearts of stone then you will know exactly what I am talking about. Wouldn't this be an un-loopholable way to escape the contract? Either Geralt refuses/fails and the terms are never fulfilled, or Geralt finds a way to do it and O'Dimm can no longer collect his soul.

Olgierd strikes me as a rather clever man, surley he must have thought of this in all of his years of knowing that O'Dimm was going to want to collect his dues.

[MCubed]

That was my first thought when I got to the scene where Olgeird is trying to contact O'Dimm in an attempt to free himself from the contract. Took me three seconds to figure it out.

[deidian]

Is not a plot hole. Olgierd intends to put impossible to realize wishes to Geralt so he never fulfills them and this way O'Dimm cannot claim his part of the contract since he didn't granted Olgierd 3 whishes by proxy.

This is the game Olgierd plays. He is counting on Geralt's failure. Remember Olgierd is a character from inside the game, he does not think in: "Geralt is the protagonist, protagonist aura, he can do anything he wants and will succeed"

[MCubed]

Originally posted by Damián:

Is not a plot hole. Olgierd intends to put impossible to realize wishes to Geralt so he never fulfills them and this way O'Dimm cannot claim his part of the contract since he didn't granted Olgierd 3 whishes by proxy.

This is the game Olgierd plays. He is counting on Geralt's failure. Remember Olgierd is a character from inside the game, he does not think in: "Geralt is the protagonist, protagonist aura, he can do anything he wants and will succeed"

It doesn't matter if geralt suceeds. If being freed from the contract was one of his wishes then there are two possible outcomes.

1: The wish is never fulfilled and he keeps his soul.
2: The wish is fulfilled and he is freed from the contract (and keeps his soul.)

If Olgeird wishes to be freed of his debts to O'Dimm he could make this wish, and he gets to keep his soul either way.

[Orion Invictus]

We don't know the full terms of the contract. We just know that O'Dimm has to grant Olgierd three wishes by proxy and that when they both stand on the moon, the contract will be fulfilled. We don't know all the minutiae.

[deidian]

Hmm...I see your 'hole' played this way. Olgierd formulates that wish. O'Dimm cannot interfere directly in the whises fulfillment, but can act indirectly. He wants souls, he doesn't care a lot from who...so poor of the guy that is the middleman if Olgierd formulates that wish and O'Dimm accepts it, It would mean HoS plot done in couple of days.... O'Dimm would find a way to trick him.

On another hand no one forbids O'Dimm to invoke the small letter of the contract and forbid that whish. You/Geralt don't know all the terms of the contract between Olgierd and O'Dimm, so you have to give it the benefit of doubt, this one is another theorizing.

[MCubed]

How could O'Dimm trick him? No matter what, the only possible outcomes are The wish is fulfilled and he keeps his soul, or the wish is never fulfilled and he keeps his soul. The only way O'Dimm can proceed to the soul reaping part is to free him from the contract, so it is impossible to take the soul.

I suppose there could be some line of the contract that precludes this as a possibility, but I doubt it given O'Dimm says he [Olgierd] can ask "anything of us, but we won't know untuil we ask him"

And O'Dimm never lies or cheats

[lehipi]

Originally posted by Gregthegamer:

Why couldn't Olgierd just ask Geralt to free him of his contract with O'Dimm?

If you played hearts of stone then you will know exactly what I am talking about. Wouldn't this be an un-loopholable way to escape the contract? Either Geralt refuses/fails and the terms are never fulfilled, or Geralt finds a way to do it and O'Dimm can no longer collect his soul.

Olgierd strikes me as a rather clever man, surley he must have thought of this in all of his years of knowing that O'Dimm was going to want to collect his dues.

Am I misreading your post, or...?

As I understand the game:

Wishes fullfilled and therefore contract fullfilled: O'Dimm claims Olgierd's soul.

Wishes unfullfilled and therefore contract unfullfilled: Olgierd keeps his soul.

Contract broken by tricking O'Dimm: Olgierd keeps his soul and O'Dimm is banished.

Yes, Olgierd could ask Geralt for help in tricking O'Dimm to break the contract, but how would he know to? He only hires Geralt to kill the Frog Prince.

Now we are talking theoreticals: Olgierd might have been using the contract on the Frog Prince to suss out potential helpers in breaking his contract with O'Dimm.
Geralt never get to that point, he gets captured by the Ofieri, and O'Dimm.. eh.. helps him escape the ship, and thereby snares Geralt into HIS service before Olgierd has had the chance to ask the same.

As for O'Dimm never lying or cheating? Replay the story, Greg, and pay attention...

[CloudSeeker]

That isn't a plot hole. That isn't a request he can ask. Geralt is there to free him from it, forcing him to fulfill it will in the end free him from it even if it means he will die. You simply can't ask for something Geralt is there to do already. If he did however that is a very very simple last request so it can backfire massively.