Cannot do bloody barons quest?

[Slapjack]

Ok so i killed the men at the crossroads because i heard they are going around the village to rape girls and they had bandits in there name. I didnt know this would not allow me to do quest with the bloody baron.

Am i missing alot of quest because of this? Can i just march in there and kill him if i cannot do the quest? Kinda messed up that i cannot do the quest.

[Pulptenks]

Originally posted by Damián:

Originally posted by Tenshi:

ehh what? ...

Killing that guards or any other moral action has nothing to do with the ending you get. Is totally out of place to talk about take care with your decisions like killing some random thugs mattered something for the ending. The ending does not depend on a moral counter so no point in linking an unrelated topic to the OP question.

Short version.

ehh again what??..... the hell are you talking?
I think, my first comment is clear to understand, i said: "your actions will determine the end" (not little thing like the guard...)
I never talk about consequences from killing guard, moral or whatever you think i try to say...

[deidian]

Originally posted by Tenshi:

Originally posted by Damián:

Killing that guards or any other moral action has nothing to do with the ending you get. Is totally out of place to talk about take care with your decisions like killing some random thugs mattered something for the ending. The ending does not depend on a moral counter so no point in linking an unrelated topic to the OP question.

Short version.

ehh again what??..... the hell are you talking?
I think, my first comment is clear to understand, i said: "your actions will determine the end" (not little thing like the guard...)
I never talk about consequences from killing guard, moral or whatever you think i try to say...

:Zayten:

Nevermind. Took it in the context of the topic :)

[deidian]

Dlabonnechatte, you have quite a strange point of view....

The devs discourage commiting crimes, that is, stealing, murdering,... Guards are heavily overleveled and when they KO Geralt they take all his money as punishment. Geralt can't kill guards too, he just KO them. You can't attack NPCs freely.This is clear as water.

On other hand devs want you to understand two things.

One, the world of the game is one in which everyone resorts to violence frequently. Too many quarrels in game( quest quarrels to keep it clear) that end violently regarding what you choose. Sometimes fistfights, others just plain bloodsheds.


Two, from the white orchard tutorial Geralt is depicted as someone not exactly pacifist. Vesemir asks him to stay out of fights for one time in the inn when things look messy...don't know what this hints to you, but to me this tells he's a bit troublemaker. Not the guy that when you insult him in a tavern he invites you to a round and lets make peace.
On other hand he is not a murderer, nor likes that fights ending in bloodshed. If for him he would be satisfied with some innocent beating and that's it, just it happens sometimes the other part doesn't want to leave it in a beating and stakes go high...so in this case he has no other option than defending himself.

This is what the game tell me about Geralt in this kind of decisions. Then if you want to make it another way, saving problems, make pragmatic evaluations about witcher bussiness interests,... The game offer options in some circumstances.

[Slapjack]

The reason i killed them was only because they had bandits in there name(i havent seen any other baron men have that in there name) and when i walked outside, they are talking about raping children in the village. I just started playing this game but a few times ive been giving a choice of doing something good like give money to some kids that lost there family, not taking money from someone for something you did.

There is a cinimatic that shows the witcher saving a lady from being hanged because it was the right thing to do. I think this game allows for that, at least for what ive seen so far.(level 7).

Just my opinion, i do see your point tho.

[deidian]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

And that's it? By rights, your actions should then provoke every citizen you come across into attacking you on sight. After all, you've just murdered people. Let's not forget that he already unjustly has the moniker: The Butcher of Blaviken. Many already fear him for that title and the story that goes with it, even though it is generally misinformed. You go around killing everyone who spits at you, calls you a name and I can guarantee you that no one, NO ONE will ever hire you as a witcher again.

If you play a game, you agree to abide by its rules. If you don't, then you might as well just toss the damn thing into the trash. There's no point in going all rogue and pretending like that's fine.

You are still going to the extreme. You choosing to not stay silent or ignore the bully of the baron thugs does not mean you as player have to be always desiring to do so or you wanting to do it just because some peasant spitted when Geralt passed.
Besides you still thinking from the perspective of that you know what the baron thugs are going to make. When a choice is given you always evaluate the choice with the information you have when taking the choice, not with the consequences and facts that you know are going to happen because it's a game, it always ends the same way if you choose option A.

The business perspective is yours, Geralt isn't a pragmatist, he gives nothing about business and money loss if a situation upsets him.

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

You've misunderstood me, again. I was not implying that the behavior itself would be reflected by the character in the game. I meant that the player making such decisions like killing wantonly would end up missing the nuances of Geralt and Ciri's relationship because they'd be too keen on a particular sort of behavior and reaction in their own gameplay.

And I beg to differe regarding Ciri's actions. They're all moral. If you need further proof of that, consider her reaction to how her friend Skjall was treated by his village. And further consider the great care Yennefer took to be sure that Ciri did not learn of her use of black magic on Skjall. She knew that Ciri would never forgive her for that. Everything that Ciri does is primal, emotional, raw. She screams about being an adult but still is a child in many ways. This is why she looks up to Geralt to act as her moral compass, her rock, her center of faith and strength.

Think back to White Orchard, where Vesemir cautioned Geralt to remain lowkey, not look for trouble, just get their supplies and be on their way. And yet it was Vesemir who struck the first blow by coming to the innkeeper's defense. That it escalated out of their control and ended up with the patrons' deaths was not because Geralt or Vesemir got annoyed by some rather boisterous drunks. They were trying to prevent a woman from getting her face smashed in.

I understood you, just I disagree with this. Your moral interpretation of Geralt has nothing to do with the simple fact that Geralt loves Ciri unconditionally. If you simply don't get their relationship is another different problem not related to the morality of the choices you take in side quests.

Regarding Skjall choice you are moralizing it by looking at consequences and facts that cause Geralt saying yes or no to the choice. Again if you evaluate a choice you have to do it taking in account the information that's offered to you in making the choice.

In this case the choice is quite simple: After Avallac'h laboratory scene Ciri judges that she needs to do something pleasant to her to blow off steam, so she asks Geralt to accompany her in visiting Skjall. It happens that Skjall died and Yen and Geralt tell this to her. She repurposes her request changing it to visiting his grave.
Geralt then can agree to accompany her or can say to her that they don't have time to do so, that defeating the Wild Hunt is the most important at the moment. At player choice.

Where do you see some degree of morality here?
Is just a choice to test if you as player are able to empathize with Ciri. If you are able to understand that at that moment Ciri's priority is to relax herself (and with a good pair of reasons TBH) a bit and that since she plays a key role in the story and supposedly you should have gotten at this point that she's the most important person in Geralt's life by far her mental state is more important that what you/Geralt think is important.