Gaunter O' Dimm, Evil Incarnate (HoS spoilers)

[Marauder Shields]

Are the people who sided with Gaunter in HoS a minority? I mean, yes, he IS evil incarnate and that the voice actor just was charismatic and amazing as ♥♥♥♥ just as a veil, to hide the demon within. And Gaunter is only out for human souls and "trickery" through his wish granting abilities (debatable). AND It's Olgeird's curse which made him into an abusive, sadistic, demon, so technically he's a good person and by helping him, siding against O' Dimm, you get back the Olgeird that Iris married. But... there's something about Dimmster that makes him a more lucrative option. Aside from the endless alchemical alchohol, and skipping the riddle (although never getting the Viper silver blade), his voice actor is just... too good, like Vaas from Farcry 3, where Mike Mando really gave life to Vaas, who was going to be a bland mexican drug lord. Thoughts?

[Abdelhazred]

There's a saying about making deals with the devil.

[bokke_commando]

On the way to the final encounter between Dimm and ol' heartless I was thinking to myself, How the heck am I going to beat O'Dimm.... He's basically a god..... So I just stood back and let him do his thing at the end of the cutscene.

I actually thought that was the way to go, until I read the character glossary for ol' heartless and it made me out to be a total spacker.

[Doctor Evil (My Deep Trap)]

Thing is, the rewards are mostly crappy, including the sword if you pick not to betray him. So I'd say it's really a toss up

[Marauder Shields]

Originally posted by oClock:

Thing is, the rewards are mostly crappy, including the sword if you pick not to betray him. So I'd say it's really a toss up

But if you have to choose, the sword is by far the best one. Then you can also get the Viper Silver Sword.

[Eater of Ecto]

They really nailed the characters in HoS. GoD(get it?) is supposed to be this completely normal person in appearance and he pulls it off very well thanks to the good VA. The creepy thing about him is he is almost always upbeat and smiling and there is a saying true evil always comes with a smile.

My opinion on who to help is to always help Olgierd for two reasons...

1) GoD walks the earth enticing people with their hearts desires being granted near instantly yet causes misery to those people through trickery and the person loses their soul. By aiding Olgierd you put a stop to GoD presumebly for a long time until he finds a way to come back. He is basically a blight upon humanity and even a few centuries without him is a good thing.

2) Helping Olgierd is the bittersweet ending which to me can be the best ending and depending on your choices during the painted world felt very satisfying, yet leave you feeling a bit depressed because how much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Olgierds, and who knows how many others, life.

The items you get really dont matter in the end. The sword isnt that great and the alchemy item you get from GoD means nothing since the game is loaded with more than enough. In the end make the choice based on your morality and story.

[Marauder Shields]

Originally posted by Zenyatta:

They really nailed the characters in HoS. GoD(get it?) is supposed to be this completely normal person in appearance and he pulls it off very well thanks to the good VA. The creepy thing about him is he is almost always upbeat and smiling and there is a saying true evil always comes with a smile.

My opinion on who to help is to always help Olgierd for two reasons...

1) GoD walks the earth enticing people with their hearts desires being granted near instantly yet causes misery to those people through trickery and the person loses their soul. By aiding Olgierd you put a stop to GoD presumebly for a long time until he finds a way to come back. He is basically a blight upon humanity and even a few centuries without him is a good thing.

2) Helping Olgierd is the bittersweet ending which to me can be the best ending and depending on your choices during the painted world felt very satisfying, yet leave you feeling a bit depressed because how much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Olgierds, and who knows how many others, life.

The items you get really dont matter in the end. The sword isnt that great and the alchemy item you get from GoD means nothing since the game is loaded with more than enough. In the end make the choice based on your morality and story.

Well, like he said himself, he doesn't trick people, it's just their poorly worded wishes. Although, yes, you summarized my oppinion perfectly.

[Living Broscillograph]

Originally posted by Mistah Pug:

AND It's Olgeird's curse which made him into an abusive, sadistic, demon, so technically he's a good person and by helping him, siding against O' Dimm, you get back the Olgeird that Iris married.

I doubt he became what he is because of the curse. To build preparations, do the ritual and succesfully summon daemons from another dimension is not an easy task, you have to be in special state of mind to make it. It's not a fleeting lunacy. With his immortality he completely deformed his mental life (that was not healthy already). His immortality became his curse, but his curse was not what made him a monster - it was his way of life, selfishness and the feel of impunity.

For me, siding with Olgierd was letting this human-monster live on as nothing happened. His band will turn against him, he would flee... and what next? Then he would summon daemons again and repeat the story. He has shown that he just is not capable of changing his way. His consciousness is stuck on the level of a thug.

We did see in TW1 what a human-monster can do while nobody cares. I just couldn't let Olgierd live. I think it is the lesser evil here.

[Marauder Shields]

Originally posted by Living Broscillograph:

Originally posted by Mistah Pug:

AND It's Olgeird's curse which made him into an abusive, sadistic, demon, so technically he's a good person and by helping him, siding against O' Dimm, you get back the Olgeird that Iris married.

I doubt he became what he is because of the curse. To build preparations, do the ritual and succesfully summon daemons from another dimension is not an easy task, you have to be in special state of mind to make it. It's not a fleeting lunacy. With his immortality he completely deformed his mental life (that was not healthy already). His immortality became his curse, but his curse was not what made him a monster - it was his way of life, selfishness and the feel of impunity.

For me, siding with Olgierd was letting this human-monster live on as nothing happened. His band will turn against him, he would flee... and what next? Then he would summon daemons again and repeat the story. He has shown that he just is not capable of changing his way. His consciousness is stuck on the level of a thug.

We did see in TW1 what a human-monster can do while nobody cares. I just couldn't let Olgierd live. I think it is the lesser evil here.

After you lift Olgeird's curse, he's a noticably different man, to the point of giving up his sword.

[Living Broscillograph]

Originally posted by Mistah Pug:

After you lift Olgeird's curse, he's a noticably different man, to the point of giving up his sword.

I suppose, it's a matter of trust and interpretation of his words through this prism :)
I personally don't believe him and see his behaviour as an attempt to mask his shock and understanding that his impunity has finally gone.

[DreamPod9]

I personally sided with Gaunter'O'Dimm based on Olgeirds poor decision of sacraficing his brother, his wife and being a general menace to countless others. Including contracting Geralt to murder the Oferei prince when he knew it was a curse that could have simply been broken. Olgeird was more of a monster than Gaunter ever was, regardless of his intentions. Gaunter was merely wanting what was his, a promise to be paid, and Olgeird wasn't playing by the rules after being given what he wanted. Again, not Gaunters fault that Olgerid didn't think his wish through and word it carefully. So in the end, yeah, I offered up that smug bastard to his debt collector without a second thought. And lets be honest, Gaunter was the better of the two antagonists anyways.

[Abdelhazred]

Originally posted by Mistah Pug:

Originally posted by oClock:

Thing is, the rewards are mostly crappy, including the sword if you pick not to betray him. So I'd say it's really a toss up

But if you have to choose, the sword is by far the best one. Then you can also get the Viper Silver Sword.

That sword is way more powerful than people seem to think. I use it when I get annoyed with kite-shield-block-fiends. There's nothing more hilarious than cutting a persons shield, sword, and them ALL completely in half.

[Abdelhazred]

Originally posted by DreamPod9:

I personally sided with Gaunter'O'Dimm based on Olgeirds poor decision of sacraficing his brother, his wife and being a general menace to countless others. Including contracting Geralt to murder the Oferei prince when he knew it was a curse that could have simply been broken. Olgeird was more of a monster than Gaunter ever was, regardless of his intentions. Gaunter was merely wanting what was his, a promise to be paid, and Olgeird wasn't playing by the rules after being given what he wanted. Again, not Gaunters fault that Olgerid didn't think his wish through and word it carefully. So in the end, yeah, I offered up that smug bastard to his debt collector without a second thought. And lets be honest, Gaunter was the better of the two antagonists anyways.

Gaunter murdered two background characters for hinting at his name; and unintentially. He's a direct reference to several things including satan. You can say "debt collector," but he's got more blood and tears on his hands than Olgerid easily.

[MaximumEffort]

He is not really evil. He is quite simply superior to everyone.

You are not evil when you crush a bug or kill a pig fir food.

[Eater of Ecto]

Originally posted by Living Broscillograph:

Originally posted by Mistah Pug:

AND It's Olgeird's curse which made him into an abusive, sadistic, demon, so technically he's a good person and by helping him, siding against O' Dimm, you get back the Olgeird that Iris married.

I doubt he became what he is because of the curse. To build preparations, do the ritual and succesfully summon daemons from another dimension is not an easy task, you have to be in special state of mind to make it. It's not a fleeting lunacy. With his immortality he completely deformed his mental life (that was not healthy already). His immortality became his curse, but his curse was not what made him a monster - it was his way of life, selfishness and the feel of impunity.

For me, siding with Olgierd was letting this human-monster live on as nothing happened. His band will turn against him, he would flee... and what next? Then he would summon daemons again and repeat the story. He has shown that he just is not capable of changing his way. His consciousness is stuck on the level of a thug.

We did see in TW1 what a human-monster can do while nobody cares. I just couldn't let Olgierd live. I think it is the lesser evil here.

The DLC is called Hearts of Stone for a reason. GoD hardended Olgierds heart to the point he could feel nothing so he couldn't get what he wanted which was a happy life with Iris. Olgierd most likely would not summon demons again after how much GoD ruined his life and Olgierd has the signs of a reasonable man even when he is a sociopath so I highly doubt he didn't learn his lesson. He made the deal out of desperation since Iris was going to marry some Olferi prince far away.

His family may be a bunch of thugs but the witcher world is full of them and things far worse.

[Marauder Shields]

Originally posted by sjrekis:

He is not really evil. He is quite simply superior to everyone.

You are not evil when you crush a bug or kill a pig fir food.

No, but he finds joy in LITERALLY COLLECTING HUMAN SOULS, and spreading misfortune. Didn't you listen to the blind man from Oxenfurt Academy?