Karadin and Gaetan [SPOILERS]

[Spacey]

So basically, what did you done with these two? What was your justice?

I killed Karadin, mainly because of his involvement in slave trade. I understand that he wanted to do something more than just killing monster, but he was assassin and a freaking slave trader. In my opinion, ha strayed from witcher's path long time ago before you meet him. He made a fortune for his wife and kids (let's say that they are his kids), but how? By ruining other people lives with slave trade. I think that can't justify what he did. He could have become a merchant or whatever if he wanted to find a comfor in his life and not just kill monsters etc, he had other options, but assassin and slave trader? Not good if you ask me. And also, Lambert is a bro, so are you the one that should be judge here? I trust him, and he can do whatever he wants with that slave trader. That was my opinion and choice.

Gaetan. Didn't killed him, just couldn't. Basically, in two of my playtroughs i played this quest after Vesemir's death, so just couldn't see another witcher die and also couldn't see another dead by my hand. "No witcher died in his own bed". But that is surely not only reason I didn't killed him. He was stabbed in the back by♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I can't stand suckers like this. Yeah, that doesn't justify the massacre, but he killed maybe 8 people or something, and I didn't find any children. He was frustrated before because they wanted to pay him just 12 crowns and than they stabbed him in the back. If they had a courage to fight him with honor, I would kill him surely. And also he risked his life to kill that Leshen. It's not some kind of ordinary monster. And also, who knows how many lives he save before. If he risked his life to kill leshen, who knows how many people has he saved from nekkers, drowners or ghouls. And also, are you the one to judge him? Dunno, just couldn't put myself in position to judge this guy.

[Spacey]

Yeah, I know that ain't his kids. Sarcasm.

For Gaetan, I said that in two of my playtroughs I played quest with him after Vesemir's death, so that is maybe the reason I was kind of more, dunno how to put it. Can't find the right word.

And also when you're coming to Karadin's house, you are greeted by two guards and they say that you're expected. Karadin could have easily just staged whole scene since you have not any proof that these are "his" children at all. And he could have also send fake letter to Hammond or whatever that pirate's name is.

You do not have too much evidence that he has changed at all.

[󠀡󠀡]

I play with the mindset that all relevant info is presented to the player. If it wasn't then how can the player expect to make a meaningful decision? Without sufficient info the outcome of decisions would be essentially random. That would be highly unsatisfactory. In the case of Karadin there is no indication of it being all a ruse and every indication of him having a genuine change of heart. The choice presented to the player is whether to punish him despite the change of heart. Does he still deserve it? What effect will that have on the orphans he's helping?

[i-Jinx]

I set out to do this quest same as last time: Let both Vienne and Karradin live, yet this time I didn't even get to meet Vienne. Lambert commented that I wasn't there to speak up for her, which I guess means he killed her in my absense. Anyone know what trigger I must have hit or missed?

[Marbur]

I don't see why Geralt should decide with Karadin.
Lambert is an experienced witcher and there should be an option to respect that:
"Lambert do with Karadin whatever you want to do. I support you."

I let Gaetan live and killed Karadin.

[Spacey]

Messaggio originale di Marbur:

I don't see why Geralt should decide with Karadin.
Lambert is an experienced witcher and there should be an option to respect that:
"Lambert do with Karadin whatever you want to do. I support you."

I let Gaetan live and killed Karadin.

I personally agree with you. As you can see, that was my thinking. There is no evidence that he has changed for good. Unless you trust his words but dunno why should i trust him. There also isn't sufficient evidence that he is still slave trader and that he is still bad. So I respected Lambert's opinion.

Like your thinking. So why did you let Gaetan?

[Mr_Faorry]

Karadin had to die, sure, he wanted to turn his life around, but he had to answer for his past misdeeds. That and I had to give Lambert closure, he's easily one of my favourite characters and I'd side with him anytime.

I let the other guy live, seemed justified to me. He accepted a contract on a leshen, one of the tougher monsters, and the village broke the contract, refused to pay, then tried to murder him. Did he go overboard? Yes, but it is understandable as to why, like Geralt said, "Shít happens".

One thing that bugs me though, could he not have just used axii to make the village pay up? Does axii not work like that? Because there was a contract in Skellige where the dude refused to pay what we agreed on yet there was no option to axii the rest out of him.

[Marbur]

The villagers tried to murder Gaetan, after he saved them from a monster. He was hurt badly and went berserk.
When he saw the little girl he stopped his amok run and did come back to his mind control. I think he should stopped earlier, but does not earn to die. It's one of these light gray decisions.

[Spacey]

Messaggio originale di Geollyn:

One thing that bugs me though, could he not have just used axii to make the village pay up? Does axii not work like that? Because there was a contract in Skellige where the dude refused to pay what we agreed on yet there was no option to axii the rest out of him.

That crossed my mind too. I think that option maybe didn't came to his mind because he tried to argue with them first and then they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ him up. Lured him into trap and he fell for it. Would like to know answers to some questions but we can only make theories and that is it.