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1. Emhyr doesn't battle for lust or power, he has enough of that, he fights for revenge as Nilfgaard was once the little bullied nation with only filthy peasants as leaders. This triggered Emhyr who then wanted to get revenge. He also genuinely believes that by uniting all nations under his command, he can bring order and peace to the lands and make everyone better (kind of like the British empire). So yes he is a racist and a c*** but he is definitely better than Dijkstra as Emhyr has already brought up Nilfgaard from filth to here without sacrifising his people too much.
2. Dijkstra will not kill non-humans and mages, however, he will definitely use whoever he wants in order to achieve HIS goals. He cares for the nation but he cares more for himself. His agendas are to make his life better first then the nations. The good thing about Dijkstra is that he isn't a racist or castist, he does not care about noble bs. However, I still think he would sacrifice anyone for his goals, even Geralt or Ciri.
3. Lastly, Ciri is actually very well trained in politics and ruling a kingdom. She lived with the lioness of Cintra and learned a lot about ruling a kingdom and caring for the people. Her life with Geralt (probably the wisest man in that world/except for when it comes to women) has made her a lot more wise and taught her about human suffering and decency. So summing up, she has political and (battle) strategical skills and she has also lived with the peasants to know what their life is like, this, like Dandelion says in the ending cutscene, makes her a perfect cadidate for empress (which unfortunately all other rulers lack)
I don't mean to attack you, it's just that your comment troubled me and I had to say something.
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Couple things though. The White Flame didn’t make Nilfgaard a powerful empire, his father and grandfather did. Don’t believe the Netflix show, Nilfgaard was a major power for at least a hundred years before Cintra fell.
Also, the Radovid or Dijkstra ending results in a consolidated and powerful northern empire, but it’s speculation to say they would actually conquer the south. In either ending Nilfgaard pulls back from Temeria, but that’s it. If you have Radovid in power the north becomes a military theocracy, while with Dijkstra it becomes a more secular, industrial nation.
Edit: I have to disagree about Ciri too. She was roughly 12 when Cintra was sacked, and Geralt is hardly an expert on politics. The time she spent with Yennefer was almost exclusively devoted to studying magic and Nenneke is also not a master of politics. She has a strong will, but I feel it’s far more likely she becomes a simple figurehead while Emhyr continues to rule from the shadows.
Finally, the books make it painfully clear that Ciri has never had any interest in ruling anyone. Period. Even if she does have the talent for it, if her heart isn’t in it I don’t think the talent matters.
Look. Doesn’t matter what’s in her heart. The game made three endings for her which are all questionable:
1. Missing: she could be dead or she could have gone to another, better world, like the aircraft one she was telling Geralt about.
2. She becomes a Witcher. Exactly what she wants BUT she is considerably less skilled than other Witcher’s because she hasn’t gone through the mutations, therefore, she has lack of sensing and surviving abilities compared to other Witcher’s. I don’t doubt her skill, but it’s a point to be noted.
3. She becomes empress but her heart isn’t there.
All are questionable but the game wouldn’t have made these endings so distinct and different unless they weren’t sure she was going to rule Nilfgaard. As for whether she ruled it alone or with someone, doesn’t matter. She will have the final say and the strongest input. You said Calanthe’s example, Calanthe had a husband but she ruled solo, what she decided was law to her kingdom. Similarly, Ciri would rule to protect the people and help the nation strive. It’s pretty simple but that’s what I think. Obviously the game ends at the happily-ever-after so we can’t know for sure and only speculations can be made. I just think that Ciri, married or not, will rule alone, and she will definitely rule as a great empress even though her heart isn’t in it. She is the type who will do anything to help and protect people, I think with age she’ll realise that being empress of the world will help her help other people and she’ll make peace with sitting on a throne. As for a king, I think Ciri is into girls anyways so don’t think that’ll be possible. Also, (sorry I’m so wordy) everyone respected Calanthe as their leader and didn’t question her even though she was a women, so I don’t think Ciri would have as much problem- she is of the elder blood, her father was emperor, and she is probably the most prominent figure in the entire world, a natural leader figure (due to fame and whatnot).
My point about Calanthe is that she could not rule how she wished simply because she was a woman. She had to marry someone (Eist) to give herself breathing space because the Cintran nobility didn’t want a queen as ruler. Other then Queen Meve what other independent rulers in the world are women? This is a world that is very brutal towards women, elves, and dwarves.
Obviously you have a personal preference for the ‘Ciri as Empress’ ending (which is rather odd if you actually read the books and cared about her as a character). Even setting the books aside, the game itself also makes it clear she has no interest in being a Queen or Empress.
Why does she not seek the throne for herself? Obviously by Witcher 3 she knows she has the most legitimate claim to it. Yet it’s only after she speaks with Emhyr that the ending becomes possible, which means Emhyr’s manipulation worked.
Also not sure why you’re getting so upset, until CD Red make a new game whatever ending you want can be “the real ending”.
Sorry. Last input. While the game is based on the books, the game has variations and differences. I’m not gonna list example cause god that would be hard and a lot of work but I spotted a few when I read the books after completing the game. So all things considered. Since we are talking about the game, we must only talk about the game’s story and not include the books. Also, the ‘Heart isn’t in it’ is bs. Sure she wants nothing more than to roam the world as a Witcher, but she knows she must take the throne and protect her people. Like Geralt, she too feels responsible for the things happening in the world and wants to make a difference, help people. She’ll take the throne. There is no way she won’t, otherwise the game wouldn’t have ended saying she’s perfect for it
Obviously you don’t want to include the books because they refute your points, but they are the original source. Like it or not.
Mostly agree with most of the opinions here, but I would like to point out something quite interesting. If Geralt doesn't intervene and meddle into politics the DEFAULT ending would be Radovid winning the War and conquering the whole North. Funny thing is what information lies on Witcher 3 wiki and Gwent Game which concludes Radovids ending as the default one.
"In the end, Radovid managed to defeat the invading Nilfgaardian forces, winning the Third Northern War. With this victory, Radovid absorbed all of the North - including Novigrad - into his own empire, resulting in him being known as the "Protector of the North".
Perhaps the most defining feature of his reign, though, was his policy of relentless witch hunts. All over the North, groups such as mages, herbalists and soothsayers were burned at the stake in mass numbers. Radovid seemingly lived up to an elderly age and was remembered in the history as Radovid the Stern. Many listed him alongside Cyrus Engelkind Hemmelfart as one of the key people responsible for the witch hunts."
- In addition, it is mentioned that: He also had Temerian partisans and Kovirian mercenary companies at his disposal, and considered utilizing the Crescent Moon, an influential independence movement in the Nilfgaard-conquered Nazair.
- He seems to have a good relationship with Ofir: "In 1272, Malliq Nibras entrusted his loyal merchant Dulla kh'Amanni with diagrams for a fantastic gear. He was supposed to present them to local ruler, King Radovid V, as a gift, possibly to establish diplomatic relations. He sent his son as well, Prince Sirvat, to marry a Nordling wife, but that went rather badly.
The same period, during the Third Northern War, Ofiri mercenaries, including a great amount of war elephants and Immortals, were brought in the Northern Kingdoms in order to support the Northern armies against Nilfgaard."
- Promo picture from CDPR of Iron Judgment captures Radovid overseeing defeated Aedirnians, which could imply that he conquered the North by force.
→ sources : https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Radovid_V
PS: I have to admit to him that he is one superb strategical mastermind when you look into details how he has managed to take over Novigrad, gain important allies and then proceed to win the War, but nevertheless he is terrible ruler.
I think it mentions something about him dragging them into the future of technology, kicking and screaming if need be.
If Geralt didn't care about the world he wouldn't have helped normal villagers for no money, or protected Pavetta, or many other things he does. What I mean by making a difference is that if he sees some wrong, like with lesser evil, he, though he knows he shouldn't, gets involved to protect people. In the game their are many times where he does something that shows that he cares for the world; which, as I recall, involves common day to day people. Yes he doesn't want to be a prominent figure and start rallying for rights or something but if he sees wrong, he just can't ignore it and gets involved. And maybe the books don't have as many examples of this but the game does and this thread is about the Witcher 3, which, correct me if I'm wrong, is a game. So don't give me book bs, it doesn't count unless it happens in the game when your talking about the game.
Sorry if it seemed I got mad. I'm pretty bad with words and get verbose lol.
So even though Calanthe had to marry someone, Cintra was still under her rule and as I recall (haven't read the books in a while tbh), people respected and admired her leadership.
I doubt Ciri would be like a Japenese empress/emperor. I think she'll rule just like Ehmyr did. But obviously it could be either or something completely different.
As for whether she wants to be a queen/empress doesn't matter. When she was still just a princess she never thought or wanted to be a witcher either, but now all she wants to do is that. So maybe after a few years, when freakin Emhyr dies or retires, she will be more willing to take the throne as she'll realize she can help a ♥♥♥♥ ton of people by being the empress, and on a much larger scale than by being a witcher. I mean, I'm not sure if you agree, but the kind of person I think Ciri is, is someone who wants to enjoy life in an adventurous rollercoaster, but stops every time she sees someone in distress and rushes to help them. So if that's who she is, I think she'll realize that being empress is not such a bad thing and might actually be good for her.
TBH I have no clue what she'll end up doing but I know this much, she has a helping people problem, so whether she's empress or witcher, that's what she's going to do, help people.
I noticed this after playing the game for the third time because I thought that it might have taken several choices to decide the next ruler, but turns out Radovid is such a mad dog that if we don't kill him, no matter how crap Novigrad's army is, they'll win.
I saw this ending as a challenge tbh: Radovid=worst ending: Him being king is easy as we don't have to do anything to make this happen, which means it's also the worst ending. Dijkstra=neutral ending: Him being king requires some effort which means it's neutral ending. Emhyr=good ending: Him being king requires the most effort which means he must be the best option.
This is obviously very wrong and a flawed way to look at it but I just thought of the endings this way because games usually make the good endings harder to do (example: if we want the botchling's curse to be lifted we got to fight wraiths and axii it while being under pressure and under a time limit, which is much harder than just killing the stupid ass baby)
- Can't deny your logic as I share the same opinion that almost in every game getting the best outcome requires the most effort. But to be honest, there is no good political ending in Witcher 3 for the North / Nilfgaard. All the 4 endings are very GREY in my opinion.
Only good endings which have 0 negative values are: Cerys ruling Skellige, Yen / Triss romance, Ciri witcheress.