Ok heres 1 for you .....the theifs Hide skill?

[qwert_44643]

What exactly does this do and whats the best way to use it?

[The Weak]

Hide has a chance to put the user into a Hidden status that removes them as an enemy target, including from multi-target spells, and give a small boost to the attack command. You can also put a character into hidden status using the Bulafei (Bufalei?) spell. At the end of each turn the hidden character has a chance to come out of hiding, mostly based on their level verses the enemy.

Edit: Should also mention that the Hide skill has a chance to fail, but the spell does not.

[Smiling Spectre]

Originally posted by The Weak:

Hide has a chance to put the user into a Hidden status that removes them as an enemy target, including from multi-target spells, and give a small boost to the attack command.

Corrections: 1. It makes user invincible to any external effect, including friendly one. I.e. hidden thief cannot be healed, just as harmed.

2. Your "attack" command replaced with "backstab" or something like that. And yes, it's more effective.

You can also put a character into hidden status using the Bulafei (Bufalei?) spell. At the end of each turn the hidden character has a chance to come out of hiding, mostly based on their level verses the enemy.

It's true for "common" units (i.e. under Bulafei). Thief skills gives much better chance to be hidden, and it's possible that high-level thieves will not be found at all.

But thief skills works as counter to hiding too. So if you have thief in party, you have much better chances to find hidden enemy, and with high level thief no enemy can hide more than one turn. Same thing works against you: if your enemy can hide without spells, they can find your hidden characters as well.

[The Weak]

Originally posted by Smiling Spectre:

Corrections: 1. It makes user invincible to any external effect, including friendly one. I.e. hidden thief cannot be healed, just as harmed.

Technically even your correction isn't entirely right. Hidden characters will still be effected by party wide buffs/debuffs, for example. There are so many exceptions to the rules in this game it's enough to make anyone's head spin! We could probably go back and forth like this forever.
Haha.

Originally posted by Smiling Spectre:

2. Your "attack" command replaced with "backstab" or something like that. And yes, it's more effective.

I thought that is what I said above so I don't see the correction, but I apologize if it did not come across and thank you for putting it in a different way that may be easier to understand. The attack command's text is replaced with "Surprise Attack," if that is important to anyone.

Edit: I suppose while we are being extremely thorough it should be mentioned that you can also cancel hidden status with the Ramialf spell, which is very useful if you are up against a hidden enemy and you don't want to rely on level difference + Thief Skills (Rank) + RNG to get them out of it. It does wipe all buffs/debuffs/counters for both sides though, so it has its downside.

[qwert_44643]

Ok once again excellent responses.

[Smiling Spectre]

Originally posted by The Weak:

Technically even your correction isn't entirely right. Hidden characters will still be effected by party wide buffs/debuffs, for example. There are so many exceptions to the rules in this game it's enough to make anyone's head spin! We could probably go back and forth like this forever.

Sorry, if it looks as nitpicking. I, personally, had too many annoying situations when I lost important buff, trying to script it on hiding character, so I think it worth to mention beforehand. :)

I thought that is what I said above so I don't see the correction, but I apologize if it did not come across and thank you for putting it in a different way that may be easier to understand.

Yes, it was my intention. Because "Attack" and "Surprise attack" looks not identical for me, so mention about "attack command" could be confusing. Sorry if it was obsolete reply.

[The Weak]

Haha, no need to be sorry. I actually think the back and forth is quite fun, but I am very nerdly like that :). These kinds of discussions give more information to the OP, which is always a good thing. You have quite a nack for understanding what information is really needed, whereas I and my old man brain take things for granted.

So pick away! The more information out there, the better.