Kolsc vs Raedric

[Pollinator]

Whice guy is a real bad guy and must be killed? What's each consequence for this?

I have no idea how to deal with this.

Hope anyone can give me a hint !

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by Shrapnel:

Originally posted by wyrtt:

there is no good reason to side with him unless you are insane as raedric.

push your opinions much?

Originally posted by fitzchivalry:

I somehow did not have a choice. I went into the castle, met Raedric, we fought, he died. What did I miss?

I've only done it one way but that way has been done at least 3 times. You cant go to Raedrics keep without meeting Kolsc- you might meet him sooner but you almost certainly meet him before discovering the keep

yeah, saying that being a mindless insane killer with good intentions is bad.
Hitler was a good guy too. He just wanted his country to suceed. Saying that killing him was the only good option for humanity is a blasephemy

[Shrapnel]

Originally posted by wyrtt:

yeah, saying that being a mindless insane killer with good intentions is bad.
Hitler was a good guy too. He just wanted his country to suceed. Saying that killing him was the only good option for humanity is a blasephemy

It doesnt matter, its simply your opinion and your opinion holds little (actually no) value to anyone else around here. So yea, stay on your high horse, no one is caring.

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by Shrapnel:

Originally posted by wyrtt:

yeah, saying that being a mindless insane killer with good intentions is bad.
Hitler was a good guy too. He just wanted his country to suceed. Saying that killing him was the only good option for humanity is a blasephemy

It doesnt matter, its simply your opinion and your opinion holds little (actually no) value to anyone else around here. So yea, stay on your high horse, no one is caring.

your opinion of my opinion have even less reason to exist, boy who plays games on easy.

[Zwentibold]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Originally posted by wyrtt:

Everyone who sided with Raedric are disgusting psychos.
Raedric gets revived and kills even more people just because he wants it. He doesnt give a ♥♥♥♥ about his people and fate of his land. He always wanted just to kill people for his god which is not even a god but a phony.

We're disgusting psychos cus we gave a rationale as to why someone would side with raedric? It seems most people here who are giving their reasons for siding with raedric have a few paragraphs of reasons as to why, while many of the opposite guys' counter argument is "he is EVIL! and you're all psychopaths!!!"

This is a role playing game, we play roles of characters that arent us in real life. My character had her reasons for siding with raedric over kolsc, and none of those reasons is because im a 'disgusting psycho'. She had more reasons to side with raedric than she did with kolsc is alls im saying.

So you're playing psycho, fine. Don't try to make this Raedric guy good he is not by every moral standards.

[Shrapnel]

Originally posted by wyrtt:

Originally posted by Shrapnel:

It doesnt matter, its simply your opinion and your opinion holds little (actually no) value to anyone else around here. So yea, stay on your high horse, no one is caring.

your opinion of my opinion have even less reason to exist, boy who plays games on easy.

Thats interesting because I have more achievements than you
have finished act 3 unlike you
have finished the game (multiple times) unlike you
And you have NO achievements for IM or Path so ...lol
stay angry and opinionated though, you're really good at that

[Hans]

Rationalizing hanging women and children from a tree in the village square is weak sauce. Torturing and mutilating people for the sake of progress does not come without cost. Murdering your wife and child because she didn't do exactly as you say...

Pretty clear cut definition of a sociopath wrapped up and disguised as "logical."

In order to create/gain anything, something of equal or greater value must first be lost.

[Laryagar]

Has anyone actually responded to the original question and stated what in-game repercussions were for killing one over the other, or both? Is there any actual change in the way the game plays or further dialogues work out if either are dead?

[Noble Ten]

Originally posted by Auspice:

2: Raedric has experience running a barony; Kolsc does not. Morals do not make a good leader, especially in a time period where food is not a certainty. In spite of a massive food shortage due to crop blight and a staggeringly low birth rate, Gilded Vale is not crumbling like Readceras did prior to Waidwen, which shows that Raedric has enough management skills to keep his people at least somewhat fed, and keeps coin coming into his barony.

I just had to pick this out :p. But yeah, Readrics solution, is by reducing Gilded Vales population, there is less mouths teh feed. Real dicission making there!

Originally posted by Auspice:

3: Kolsc has demonstrated that he cannot even produce enough popular support to oust Raedric and has to rely on foreign assassins to have any hope of success. If the people don't support Kolsc, why should we?

Well Readric is a tyrant. He rules in fear. Noone would speak out because if they did, they would get accused and then hung.. Remember what happened to Eders captian? the famer he worked for?. He voiced his opinion against Readric and was instantly hung. I really dont think the matter is much for why people dont support him, they are just too scared at the though of becoming a tree decoration. They are peasants afterall.

[Separa]

Originally posted by fitzchivalry:

I somehow did not have a choice. I went into the castle, met Raedric, we fought, he died. What did I miss?

This likely had to do with a dialogue option that you chose. Perhaps you didn't mean to start the fight, but I'm going to assume that's what happened.

[TKozlows]

Pardon the necro-post. I just started the game a couple of days ago and my choice worked out to killing everyone. Raedric because while a just man was a religious and superstitious psycho. Kolsc lied about his affiliation when I inquired by what right he had to lead (I'm playing a noble) which immediately made him suspect when that truth was revealed. If he had simply said he was Raedric's cousin I would have been fine with it. Orsya... I killed her because I very well couldn't leave her alive after murdering her benefactor, not to mention I do not believe it is scripted to bring her you your keeps lab to work from. And Nedmar... why Nedmar? Because he like Raedric was flying high on the religious persecution juice add into it he would have been in a position to usurp the lands for his church and I have other plans. I know the game once again is probably not scripted for it but that is where telling your own tale comes into play. Slaughtered the previous leadership, use my right of noble blood and current Lordship of Caed Nau as leverage on the people to get them to accept my claim, that and I did all those good deeds for them. Surely I am a just and honourable lord not tied to the current geopolitical garbage right? :)

[Dorok]

Based on end game the wiser is let Raedric live and kill Kolsc. Iit's not even surprising it's the best you can hope if you do that choice.

I could be wrong but for me the unpleasant surprise was notice some choices that seem major seem have no consequence on end, like for Readric Keep kill or not the Priest, or kill of not the Animancer.

[DarthSimp]

My character thought that everyone was unworthy.

So, the whole castle, along with its rulers and all those who put claim upon it, had to be purged.

I killed everyone. First Raedric, then Kolsc, then everyone else.

Unworthy.

[ZeroEffekt]

Sebasjyn
Pale Elf
The White That Wends - Drifter
Monk
Honest(3), Benevolent(2), Passionate(2)

Kolsc initially seemed to be genuine in his quest to save Gilded Vale from the heinous acts of Lord Raedric. I sought to carry out what Kolsc's swordarms could not.

I destroyed every combatant in the keep that wasn't in the Courtyard.
I spoke to Nedmar and learned of Giacco. I freed him after speaking to and making a deal with Osrya.
Nedmar was informed of my success before I put him to the fist, for his complacency was appalling. I returned to Osrya to inform her of my success.
I spoke with Raedric about everything, then took a step back to ponder the situation.

While his actions were vile, and the murdering of his child and wife were extreme and unjust, he /was/ the only person actively seeking a means to combat the Hallowborn affliction. Even if it meant having a despicable murderer lording over the Gilded Vale with a somewhat perverse animancer in his employ, it was the only beneficial option for everyone in the region.

I left to speak with Kolsc. He brought nothing to the table aside from his own justifiable contempt for Raedric's actions, not even a sad attempt at fighting the curse. I confronted him on this matter and he became bitter, and he didn't even miss a beat in our conversation when I told him he had tried using me.

The inevitable conclusion for me was to remove Kolsc from the equation, a task whose only option was with violence; a non-lethal solution would have been sought if it were possible. Raedric was spared, just as I promised Osrya in our deal.

If there was another person less vile than Raedric seeking to end the curse, and if I hadn't given my word not to harm him, then that lord's headless body would have been tossed from the ramparts and his head sent to the residents of the Gilded Vale as a gift.

[boiling pie]

Raedric was a raving lunatic and had to be removed. Good intentions are irrelevant when the resulting actions are as ineffective and appalling as his.
I tried to reason with Osrya but no understanding was achieved.
I saw no reason to harm Kolc or Nedmar.

I don't understand players who think that Kolc withholding some of the truth about himself is worse than all the crimes of Raedric. People are weird.

[Barnabas]

I killed Raederic you don't hang ppl from trees like dat it ain't right brehs