Sabre vs 2h weapons

[kooto]

What's the point to use 2 handed weapon when sabre gives +12 accuracy(when used without second weapon/shield), better speed while damage is almost the same 13-19 vs 14-20?

[Lyle]

Have you compared some of the better quality, or even unique ones? Also there is interrupt values and Talents to take into account.

[Trench Rat]

Depending on class I've always been under the impression one handed is not the way to go. The DR penetration of Two-handed and/or the deflection of a shield outweigh the accuracy from one handed. Dual wielding is only for rogues or Ciphers maybe. Twohanded weapons are beastly, all of my melee characters use two handed except my tank. My tank uses one handed/shield.

[kooto]

I'm thinking about pure dps character so shield is not an option here. Sorry, topic is a bit misleading. I wanted to ask about using sabre vs 2h weapon without any additional advantage such as DR on extended reach. Sabre vs 2h sword / pollaxe for example.

Also, 2 weapons vs 1 1h weapon. When using 2 weapons each weapon attack one after another taking pause between attacks so why should i use 2 weapons and lose accuracy instead of using 1 weapon?

[la_nague]

bonus of sabre is high dmg, you have to compare against other weapon bonus.


For excample estoc has penetration, 2h swords have multiple dmg types etc.
And 12 accuracy is nice, but you have to compare against 20" increased damage, which is what the 2H weapons get.

[kooto]

Originally posted by Dino swe:

Have you compared some of the better quality, or even unique ones? Also there is interrupt values and Talents to take into account.

Interrupt almost negligible, also this is last important stat while choosing weapon, at least for me. I compared basic damage, same quality.

[Ranfle]

I have 2 tanks: Eder with sabre, 16 might: 26k damage in the endgame, PC with polleaxe, 9 might: 23k. Eder has never left my party since Gilded Vale. Unless damage done by summons counts, difference is trivial

[Trench Rat]

Rogues its for backstab/sneak attack on status affected enemies, Ciphers you want quick hits to rebuild focus points. You can mitigate that pause a bit with stats.

Pure DPS, I'd still go twohanded because eventually the dps output of twohanders will outmatch one handed. The issue than becomes can your quicker accurate hits add up more than the heavier slower attacks, i think Character stats and abilities will play a bigger role in that match up too. Honestly man, it probably just boils down to your play preference.

[Lyle]

Originally posted by kooto:

Originally posted by Dino swe:

Have you compared some of the better quality, or even unique ones? Also there is interrupt values and Talents to take into account.

Interrupt almost negligible, also this is last important stat while choosing weapon, at least for me. I compared basic damage, same quality.

As la_nague pointed out there is also damage resistance to take into account. A damage number doesnt say how much damage it does against a specific enemy. And a Sabre is only capable of slashing (apart from enchants). That is a big minus. The tradeoff is slightly higher damage. I would personally pick Sword over Sabre. There are also more named Swords in the game. For pure damage dealing without sneak attacks or resource gathering I would go two-handed with combined damage type to bypass DR.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by la_nague:

bonus of sabre is high dmg, you have to compare against other weapon bonus.


For excample estoc has penetration, 2h swords have multiple dmg types etc.
And 12 accuracy is nice, but you have to compare against 20" increased damage, which is what the 2H weapons get.

This. The maths I've seen on it still show 2h ahead albeit just slightly except for very specific scenarios, like exact accuracy range, DR range, etc. i.e., sabres are still good, but you cannot ignore the extra perks on various 2h weapons.

Originally posted by SinAsylum:

Honestly man, it probably just boils down to your play preference.

Also, this. I think like 99% of maths I've seen on weapons always compare them in a vaccuum. Once you consider your different companions, different buffs/debuffs, enemy types, weapons found (e.g., boss may drop a unique 2h, but you are still stuck with a fine sabre), talents chosen, etc., at the end of it all a 2 DSP difference comparison isn't going to mean anything.

Just a hunch, but I suspect the difference between 1h and 2h is actually pretty close. On paper, 2h typically wins out. In game, when enemies are [potentially] getting their deflection and DR scores constantly mucked with, 1h likely makes up the difference.

[kooto]

Thanks guys for the info.

[Revolucas]

Sabre with .5 crit > Estoc on a Rogue since you will crit more then 50% of the time (depending on enemy deflection). Unique Estocs are trash, in my opinion, and 5 DR reduction means not much stacked against 50% more damage and +12 accuracy.

Those tables you can find on the main forum about DPS of the weapons is based purely on attack frames if it occurred infinitely. Realistically there is only a fraction of a difference between Two-hand and Sabre up against any amount of DR. It's only a single point of base damage difference. So, it comes down to damage type, enchants, buffs, debuffs, etc. It's not a huge difference either way. A guy who uses a two-hand isn't going to be inferior to someone with a sabre or visa versa in a noticeably visible way if you are fighting something with a flat DR against all types. You could probably make the argument that sabres are the best slashing weapons in the game.

Best weapons in the game, in my opinion, are monk fists. :D

Since you have more then one slot, you'll want a good Sabre and a good Two-hander with either pierce or blungeoning to deal with all resistances.