Shades and Shadows = WTF ?

[Grokitach]

Seriously, after only few hours, you face completely physically immune monsters that teleport and summon other monsters. The only way to destroy them is magic, and you have only 1 mage that got OSed every time, hurray !

I'm used to Torment / BG / Icewind Dale, whatever, I did them all. I play in hard mode, got 0 problem until I'm facing 2 Shades + 1 shadows = 5 ennemies with over 100 hp with a group of 4 lv 2-3.

Ciphers are uterly useless cause they have to touch the ennemy before doing damages with their spell (seriously ?). So as soon as they are blind, bye bye Cipher I used to like you.

I wonder what type of ennemies I'll fight at lv 10, multiple Gods maybe ?


And the citizens are just living like they don't care of the spiders / shadows whatever, that are living under their feet.

I'll have to bring a 2nd mage in my team just to beat those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mobs ? That's ridiculous, I guess I'll massively go cheat engine, buy 2 mages lv 2 and destroy them.

[Matthew]

Come back later with a full party.

[Coin]

If you're not playing on path of the damned i would call your problem a lack of skill.

[feliscon]

They're not physically immune. In fact apart from fire they're generally STRONGER against magic (higher shock and frost resist).

[Flo]

You don't have to do that right now. Also completing the quest does not require you fight shades I think. The big hard room are extra loot.

You should go get the priest Durance and come back. It's doable with only the mage and fighter but hard.

[Yₒₛₕ]

Make sure you have Eder, Aloth and maybe go pick up Durance south from the vale. Then hire two adventurers form the Black Hound inn = success

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Nyaru:

Also completing the quest does not require you fight shades I think. The big hard room are extra loot.

Yeah also this. But if you are like me, passing up a treasure room isn't an option :)

[Coin]

Originally posted by BURNINGPOO:

Make sure you have Eder, Aloth and maybe go pick up Durance south from the vale. Then hire two adventurers form the Black Hound inn = success

How do you need more than Aloth and Eder for that ♥♥♥♥.

[Grokitach]

I managed to kill them because of luck on the rolls (OSed 3 shadows with 1 burning cone...). That's very silly, because right after that monstruous fight you encounter oozes that you kill like the first monsters of the game. SEEMS LEGIT

The problem is not really their damages or their capacity to blind / daze, it's their 65 deflection, 61 will, etc. Most of the time every skill miss... My Cipher was not able to make sufficient focus to spam bind. But when I succeeded I successfully hit every shade...

Originally posted by Coin:

If you're not playing on path of the damned i would call your problem a lack of skill.

Did the bandit camp solo with my Cipher, so ♥♥♥♥ you gently :)

[MichaelBach]

Maybe you are in an area you shouldn't be yet. I have 2 mages a fighter and a rouge and did not have any problems with them. Or maybe take the skill level down a notch?

[Boink]

I'd agree. The balance so far ingame is... extremely questionable.

I'd go as far as to say - if you start with the wrong class and don't buy filler NPCs from the tavern, you can effectively stop yourself from progressing at certain points.

Try to reach the city without mass spamming slick / knockdowns on the x3 young drake fights when you run out of content (level 4/5) at that point, I dare you.

[Coin]

Originally posted by Grokitach:

Did the bandit camp solo with my Cipher, so ♥♥♥♥ you gently :)

What i did was: most of those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are inside rooms, so i went in the room with one guy, baited them with ranged attack, pulled my guy back, and closed entrence to the room with Eder. Easy way to beat most of them.

Originally posted by Boink:

I'd agree. The balance so far ingame is... extremely questionable.

I'd go as far as to say - if you start with the wrong class and don't buy filler NPCs from the tavern, you can effectively stop yourself from progressing at certain points.

Try to reach the city without mass spamming slick / knockdowns on the x3 young drake fights when you run out of content (level 4/5) at that point, I dare you.

That is true if you suck maybe. Dont blame the game for own lack of skill pls.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Grokitach:

Seriously, after only few hours, you face completely physically immune monsters that teleport and summon other monsters. The only way to destroy them is magic, and you have only 1 mage that got OSed every time, hurray !

I'm used to Torment / BG / Icewind Dale, whatever, I did them all. I play in hard mode, got 0 problem until I'm facing 2 Shades + 1 shadows = 5 ennemies with over 100 hp with a group of 4 lv 2-3.

Ciphers are uterly useless cause they have to touch the ennemy before doing damages with their spell (seriously ?). So as soon as they are blind, bye bye Cipher I used to like you.

I wonder what type of ennemies I'll fight at lv 10, multiple Gods maybe ?


And the citizens are just living like they don't care of the spiders / shadows whatever, that are living under their feet.

I'll have to bring a 2nd mage in my team just to beat those ♥♥♥♥ing mobs ? That's ridiculous, I guess I'll massively go cheat engine, buy 2 mages lv 2 and destroy them.

Can you give a detailed run down of your party, including spell, skills, talents and items. Plus a complete list of your foes, so we can analyses your party strength and weaknesses and develop a tactic for you.

[feralgal]

Originally posted by Coin:

What i did was: most of those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are inside rooms, so i went in the room with one guy, baited them with ranged attack, pulled my guy back, and closed entrence to the room with Eder. Easy way to beat most of them.

I did that to some extent. It's a good tactic in this game.

[Grokitach]

Originally posted by Coin:

Originally posted by Grokitach:

Did the bandit camp solo with my Cipher, so ♥♥♥♥ you gently :)

What i did was: most of those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are inside rooms, so i went in the room with one guy, baited them with ranged attack, pulled my guy back, and closed entrence to the room with Eder. Easy way to beat most of them.

Originally posted by Boink:

I'd agree. The balance so far ingame is... extremely questionable.

I'd go as far as to say - if you start with the wrong class and don't buy filler NPCs from the tavern, you can effectively stop yourself from progressing at certain points.

Try to reach the city without mass spamming slick / knockdowns on the x3 young drake fights when you run out of content (level 4/5) at that point, I dare you.

That is true if you suck maybe. Dont blame the game for own lack of skill pls.

And you figured out that I was too dumb to do it, assuming that I have no skill. That's really intelligent.

Even doing that all the time, when you have a 50ish accuracy against 65 deflection, it's hard to do anything for a Cipher, a Warrior and a Paladin. Only the mage is able to do something, unless every spell miss.

[Boink]

Originally posted by Coin:

That is true if you suck maybe. Dont blame the game for own lack of skill pls.

What a mature response.

XP is capped / limited, meaning that you can only reach certain skills at certain points.

The classes are absolutely unbalanced (e.g. slick) and the spread of NPCs in world you get favors certain builds. (Mage > Fighter > Priest being your first three). Of course, you can buy custom made NPCs but this rather cements this as a cop-out way of dealing with the problem.

The Raedric fight is essentially unwinnable for certain builds unless you :cheese: the mechanics and pull into the side rooms for certain starting PC classes.


Hint:

20+ years experience of game mechanics / tabletop games.