is this better then baldurs gate ...

[Ryulightorb]

I was turned off by baldurs gate i love the idea and everything but the game was just rage inducing and annoying to the point it was not fun.

Like i couldn't do the main questline heading to the inn because the mage in there would one shot my party.

don't get me wrong i get it's a good game but the difficulty was to the point where i was unable to have any fun with the game.



Is Pillars of Eternity better , worse or what?

[Dorok]

Grufflehound님이 먼저 게시:

BG2 waes good. The first Neverwinter Nights imoroved on this but then lost it with NW2.

I doubt many players agree. NWN1 was a big disappointment after BG2. It's only after some years of mods release that it gets a better value. Even then nothing comparable to BG2, even less to BG1 that was much more open and than BG2 and anything related to NWN1.

EDIT: And NWN2 Mask of the Betrayer is much better than NWN1 or any extension released for NWN1. Myself I even consider MotB better than BG2 because of writing quality and choices and dilemmas quality, but not many players would agree.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Dorok님이 먼저 게시:

Grufflehound님이 먼저 게시:

BG2 waes good. The first Neverwinter Nights imoroved on this but then lost it with NW2.

I doubt many players agree. NWN1 was a big disappointment after BG2. It's only after some years of mods release that it gets a better value. Even then nothing comparable to BG2, even less to BG1 that was much more open and than BG2 and anything related to NWN1.

PLayed beat and enjoyed BG2 it's overrated.

[Dorok]

GRVTSFat Bastard님이 먼저 게시:

PLayed beat and enjoyed BG2 it's overrated.

What's overrated?

Party RPG combats? It's not the best but the whole NWN1&2 series can't compare.

Companions? Both NWN1&2 are simple in comparison.

Story? No way NWN1&2 stories are great, I don't like much BG2 main story, but BG2 has some very good secondary stories. Eventually NWN2 MotB is better on that point.

Classes? Last extension of BG2 added already many features, but yeah NWN1&2 did it further, but they aren't games with good party RPG combats so a lot of the value is lost.

Exploration? BG2 isn't the best on that but both NWN1&2 are quite worse on that.

Even if BG2 is overrated, myself I rarely put it in my top 10, it's still much better than NWN1&2.

[Silvaren]

Dorok님이 먼저 게시:

Grufflehound님이 먼저 게시:

BG2 waes good. The first Neverwinter Nights imoroved on this but then lost it with NW2.

I doubt many players agree. NWN1 was a big disappointment after BG2. It's only after some years of mods release that it gets a better value. Even then nothing comparable to BG2, even less to BG1 that was much more open and than BG2 and anything related to NWN1.

EDIT: And NWN2 Mask of the Betrayer is much better than any extension released for NWN1.

Yeah, first time playing Neverwinter Nights 2 gave me similar feeling to Baldur's Gate. Full party, good story with plot twists. Neverwinter Nights 1 as single player campaign was terrible. Only good piece of story was Aribeth and her fall - so human and natural in those circumstances.

But there is one thing about many people don't remember. First NWN got few awards on E3 year by year for "best rpg game". BioWare developed it as multiplayer module only. Then publisher (Atari) forced them to make single player campaign because they were afraid that the game won't sell good. So single player campaign in NWN1 was just quick low quality job to shut up publisher.

EDIT: and Mask of Betrayer story was closest to Planescape Torment. Now I'm think Pillars of Eternity done it better than MoB. Every of those titles was writen mostly by Chris Avellone (he done like 90% of Planescape).

[Dorok]

NWN2 get bashed a lot at release because of some linearity, but myself I enjoyed it and overall more than NWN1.

About NWN1 story and single player I didn't knew, I feel strange Bioware was going to release a Multiplayer Only game, that was very very rare at that time. Myself I would have never buy it and never ever played it MP.

[Scorpiova]

That's like asking if the movie Aliens is better than Alien. It's completely subjective, as they are completely different games. While they do share similar features and styles, they are world's apart at the same time.

[Silvaren]

Dorok님이 먼저 게시:

NWN2 get bashed a lot at release because of some linearity, but myself I enjoyed it and overall more than NWN1.

About NWN1 story and single player I didn't knew, I feel strange Bioware was going to release a Multiplayer Only game, that was very very rare at that time. Myself I would have never buy it and never ever played it MP.

It was revolutionary then - living Dungeon Master, who could make adjustment to story in real time, talking with players in skin of monsters and NPCs. Noone never done this before NWN. Now it's funny how Sword Coast Legends are presenting as revolutionary with dungeon master making stories for 4 player party xD

[Dorok]

I don't deny the idea was looking cool, but I don't think the majority of players played it like that.

What really worked was users made single player campaigns through mods. I don't think games as Skyrim or DAO beat the level and amount of creativity NWN1 get.

[Silvaren]

Dorok님이 먼저 게시:

I don't deny the idea was looking cool, but I don't think the majority of players played it like that.

What really worked was users made single player campaigns through mods. I don't think games as Skyrim or DAO beat the level and amount of creativity NWN1 get.

No chances in DAO, but there are tones of modes for Skyrim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6yHoSvrTss xD funny as hell.

There was Redux project for DAO - idea of bringing Baldur's Gate 2 in DAO engine, but it was dumbed down to stupid DAO combat and linear character progression because they didn't know how convert AD&D for this mod. I don't even know why the want to do this. 2D backgrounds look better even today than this crap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhL8iKN3rVA

There is full Baldur's Gate as module for Neverwinter Nights 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m6m0ia8COo But I prefer original, and now Enhanced Edition

[talkslow4me]

I never got into BG1 and thus didnt really give BG2 a chance. The combat was lackluster. I almost liked Temple of Elemental Evil more.

This game still grabs my interest because it does away with the harsh stat system.

Trying to finish up Dragon Age and ShadowRun. Not sure how you RPG fans manage to play 200+ hours per RPG every few months.

Afterwards going to either try PoE or Divinity. Both seem like winners, thouth PoE grabs most of my interest.

[Silvaren]

talkslow4me님이 먼저 게시:

I never got into BG1 and thus didnt really give BG2 a chance. The combat was lackluster. I almost liked Temple of Elemental Evil more.

ToEE is best computer adaptation of D&D 3.5 (and any other edition). Turned based as should be, vastly tactical - almost every rule from p&p D&D 3.5 was bring to the screen. There is even players handbook content i game, using links to navigate.

Dragon Age Origins is borring and has terrible combat and even worse character progression. DA2 and Inquisition bring better progression, and DA2 combat is more tactical than DAO because of cross class combos using some status effect to detonate. In DAO were only few spell combos. Core mechanics is almost the same, only animations chaged and camera works - which caused IQ drop of everyone.

[robomagon]

meghostryder님이 먼저 게시:

Concidering Obsidian had a smaller budget than BG1 or BG2 they did an excellent job producing a game with the same epic scoop as BG. Wether the title is "better" depends on what kind of player you are. If it's for "the story" and adventure I think it's better. In BG1 the main story of being a demon spawn was cool and all-but that never really came to frutation until late end game. Until then you did standard quests--What's wrong with the iron ore, go save so and so...etc.

Only info I could find for BG1 was $4.5 million, and I'm not sure how accurate that is. Plus part of that would have to go to TSR/WotC for the AD&D license. Fallout 1 for instance didn't need a license and cost about $3 million.

EDIT: PoE's budget was $4,163,208

[meghostryder]

Now figure in inflation. When Baldur's Gate released I could buy a steak in the store for $2. Fill my tank for less than $5 and a shiny new car for around 7k. ---- an no. that 7k wan't some Koreon Go-Kart--

I would say that's about 15 million compared to 4.1 after you adjust for inflation. Again, pretty awesome job.

[ADEPTA SORORITAS MEBS™]

happy님이 먼저 게시:

Joe Chip님이 먼저 게시:

BG1 is merely a demo compared to BG2.
Most of BG1 feels empty and bare-bones. Understandably so, since it was kind of a pioneer game trying to translate D&D in video form. It has barely any storyline to speak off, an handful of dialogues, extremely short. Sure they nailed that sense of exploration and adventure though. BG2 an actual developed crpg.

and romero s night of the livingdead was a demo for world war Z...
no sir

As long i loved BG saga... The first one you had exploration yes....but also a lot of OOC nonsense showelled on your face... Like Galileus close to the Lathander temple... Or noober in Nashkel.... Khalid costantly repeating th..th... that's all folks!..And stuff like that..... I liked more BG2 due to the major number of dialogues and less Out of character crap... Stil loved both... And pillars of eternity? I have to say i love the narration the setting and the dialogues..

Consider also there is not so much originality on the story of Baldur's Gate 2... The death of Bhaal is in the official forgotten realm Lores...

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

.:Poison:.님이 먼저 게시:

happy님이 먼저 게시:

and romero s night of the livingdead was a demo for world war Z...
no sir

As long i loved BG saga... The first one you had exploration yes....but also a lot of OOC nonsense showelled on your face... Like Galileus close to the Lathander temple... Or noober in Nashkel.... Khalid costantly repeating th..th... that's all folks!..And stuff like that..... I liked more BG2 due to the major number of dialogues and less Out of character crap... Stil loved both... And pillars of eternity? I have to say i love the narration the setting and the dialogues..

But if all you love is the dialog and the story what replay value is there exactly?