buried secrets help

[rpc]

i have look everyway but found only a letters in which it says that he made a mistake ringing the big bell for first and a passage in the quest log in which it says that hte first and the last come from the right hand.
so these are not enough to understand that the sequence is right center left right i did the sequence but with just a try and error process
i would like to know if are other clues to solve this riddle
sorry for my english

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

There are other clues, yes. One is a log, one is the memory of a soul.

[rpc]

thx

[Arya Everheart]

Also you don't need to do the bell puzzle. There is another way to open that door. Scouting is your friend.

[The.Spaz.]

If you have high enough preception you can find a secret key to bypass bell puzzle.
If you have high enough mechanics you can pick the door directly.
If you have neither then you will need to explore the area and fight some tough groups of Skuldrs (path of the damned).

Chances are that your party is too low level to actually bypass puzzle so you will probably have to do some exploring and fighting. Skullr's do a lot of damage and their king has a decent amoutnt of endurance that you will have to whittle down so taking them head on is suicide. Luckily you should have plenty of doorways in the area to do some crowd control. Before engaging its best to sneak your party into position, place two of your fighters just outside the doorway blocking entry, have durance cast a sign trap in beween the entryway (it doesn't matter if your characters stand on it) and your warriors. Then equip a bow and shoot to attract the enarest visible enemy with your warrior.

If things go as planned, the entrance will be blocked off by your warriors to keep your ranged casters safe at a distance to rain down hell. The porne bodies from the trap will also bottleneck most of the enemie packs on the other side. Have your warriors imbibe any potions or cast buffs and set them to work on the fallen bodies. Have your mages start peppering the area just past the entry way with spells and all offensive attacks. Make sure you keep an eye on your warriors and heal them with durance. Cast more sign traps/buffs and any offesnive spells as needed, for all intents and purposes, treat every fight agaisnt a large pack of skuldr (with a king) as a boss battle. Having best slaying ability on your weapons helps.

[alation13]

I noticed that on a walkthrough with maps some secrets were marked that I can not find no matter how much I walk around the are in stealth mode. I am sure I found the key last time I played but that was a few patches ago (before the summoning nuke). So I am tending to believe that perception may play a role in finding secrets now. I can not remember but I don't believe my first character had high perception so it was probably brought in during a patch.

[The.Spaz.]

Originally posted by alation13:

I noticed that on a walkthrough with maps some secrets were marked that I can not find no matter how much I walk around the are in stealth mode. I am sure I found the key last time I played but that was a few patches ago (before the summoning nuke). So I am tending to believe that perception may play a role in finding secrets now. I can not remember but I don't believe my first character had high perception so it was probably brought in during a patch.

If anyone memebr in your party has a high enough preception the secrests will generally be acessible.

[Schizoid embolism]

Originally posted by The.Spaz.:

Originally posted by alation13:

I noticed that on a walkthrough with maps some secrets were marked that I can not find no matter how much I walk around the are in stealth mode. I am sure I found the key last time I played but that was a few patches ago (before the summoning nuke). So I am tending to believe that perception may play a role in finding secrets now. I can not remember but I don't believe my first character had high perception so it was probably brought in during a patch.

If anyone memebr in your party has a high enough preception the secrests will generally be acessible.

Really, perception? I thought it was mechanics, did I miss something?

[alation13]

OK

Originally posted by The.Spaz.:

Originally posted by alation13:

I noticed that on a walkthrough with maps some secrets were marked that I can not find no matter how much I walk around the are in stealth mode. I am sure I found the key last time I played but that was a few patches ago (before the summoning nuke). So I am tending to believe that perception may play a role in finding secrets now. I can not remember but I don't believe my first character had high perception so it was probably brought in during a patch.

If anyone memebr in your party has a high enough preception the secrests will generally be acessible.

OK, I will have to check that out, I don't believe that anyone would have had higher perception during the first playthrough, I was using a straight fighter and had the first two guys you pick up.

[The.Spaz.]

Yeah that area is going to be impossible till you get atleast 4 or 5 memebers in your squad. You can awlays come back to the area a bit later and give it a shot once you had some time to upgrade your gear and pick up memebers. Having a thief is always a must for party based RPG games.

[alation13]

I did it at level 3, it is hard but not impossible. I am playing normal level with a chanter.

Edit: The hardest thing is the spectres, but I found ganging up on one at a time summoning my own phantom and doing a bit of baiting/kiteing made it possible.

[The.Spaz.]

Yeah I would have never known that. I never tried playing the game on anything other than path of the damend.

[Schizoid embolism]

It is mechanics, perception has nothing to do with finding secrets. Mechanics and being in sneak mode is what you need to find AND disarm traps/locks etc.

[The.Spaz.]

Well I did play the game before the DLC and updates hit. Things could been changed around... as far as I remember mechanics is required to disarm traps and operate machinary. Preception generally identifies them.

[Schizoid embolism]

It's been that way since release, the ingame description makes perception sound as though it would affect finding stuff but mechanics is your 1 stop shop for all hidden items/traps/locks. Perception is not raiseable on level ups and if you try and stack it with items they'll surpress the lower items. So if you didn't make a high PER char then you'd be out of luck. But it's all good as you can raise mechanics on level up.

[The.Spaz.]

Huh... I distinctly remember having only one char with hih perception and no mechanic in my team. I was able to spot most traps and secrets but wasn't able to disarm them till I came back later with a mechanic in tow.