When is chanter tank supposed to be able to tank? (PotD)

[筷子]

on potd difficulty. my chanter lvl 3 and he cannot tank for ♥♥♥♥ dies so fast

not sure if im doing it wrong or wat

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Give some details about your chanter.

[筷子]

hello see here for my stats and build: http://i.imgur.com/hNffbA0.jpg

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

I don't understand that build based on screenshots only. He looks like a coward, who hopes for wonders that won't happen. +48% AoE overhead and +30% damage but unable to cause attackers real trouble. Sure, Accuracy will improve a bit, but as one can see, at this level Accuracy 33 is weak, and +6 from Zealus Focus is already included, if the screenshot may be believed.

RES 17 alone doesn't make him unhittable (a Chanter's base Deflection is 5 less than Fighter already). You get +2 compared with a Fighter that keeps RES 10.

DEX 3 and heavy armor make him slow like a snail. Paired with PER 10 (and a Chanter's base Accuracy is also 5 less than a Fighter's) just don't hope that he will be hitting enemies often. Why did you decide against increasing PER at least a little bit?

MIG 20 would make sense, if you were able to hit enemies reliably. You can have much more success with around half MIG and higher Accuracy.

And Athletics skill instead of Mechanics would be the obvious choice for a frontliner.

[smilehigh]

D'amarr from Darshiva の投稿を引用：

I don't understand that build based on screenshots only. He looks like a coward, who hopes for wonders that won't happen. +48% AoE overhead and +30% damage but unable to cause attackers real trouble. Sure, Accuracy will improve a bit, but as one can see, at this level Accuracy 33 is weak, and +6 from Zealus Focus is already included, if the screenshot may be believed.

RES 17 alone doesn't make him unhittable (a Chanter's base Deflection is 5 less than Fighter already). You get +2 compared with a Fighter that keeps RES 10.

DEX 3 and heavy armor make him slow like a snail. Paired with PER 10 (and a Chanter's base Accuracy is also 5 less than a Fighter's) just don't hope that he will be hitting enemies often. Why did you decide against increasing PER at least a little bit?

MIG 20 would make sense, if you were able to hit enemies reliably. You can have much more success with around half MIG and higher Accuracy.

And Athletics skill instead of Mechanics would be the obvious choice for a frontliner.

The OP was aking about tankiness, not dps. We all know that good offense is the best defense, but that's not what the topic is about, so what is your beef with low DEX again?

Low DEX does not impact the speed of the chants (invocations are a different matter).

High RES decreases the chance to be interrupted.

And "Dragon Thrashed" benefits from high Might.

To answer the OP's question:

On PoTD you cannot reliably tank with any class at early levels. So yes, you will get hit and die if you do not kill your enemies fast enough. That's why (and because of enemy attack AI) pure tanks with low offensive capabilities are less viable in PoE.

Surely a lot may depend on your party composition and chanter set up.
Just bear in mind that low Dex + heavy armor will slow down your weapon attack and recovery speed with weapons, and it will take you longer to cast invocations and read scrolls wich might also cause you to get interrupted (even with high Resolve).

[wendigo211]

I get what you're trying to do. It's a pure defense tank that's going to rely on phrases like, "The Dragon Thrashed, the Dragon Wailed," to deal damage, and only cast summons. Since the phrases don't have a hit roll, you don't need accuracy. Since the timer for phrases is not dependent on dexterity, you don't need dexterity. You can focus on defensive abilities (and I suppose Scion of Flame) and the rest should take care of itself.

It won't work until you're a high enough level to unlock, "The Dragon Thrashed, the Dragon Wailed" (It might work with, "Rime and Frost followed the Footfalls of Karth," but I'm unsure of if you need accuracy or mechanics for that one.) It's a build you respec. into, not one you start with. Also, IIRC, I've seen that build suggested for solo plays, builds that work well for solo play don't work well in a party and vice versa.

Defensive tanks do not work well early on in PotD because you don't have good shields, good armor or enough talents to start boosting deflection to effective levels out of the gate. If you do want to tank in this game, I find a high constitution is as important as a high resolve (maybe more important, since deflection alone will not guard your health). To start out you should be using a one handed weapon, preferably with an accuracy boost, with most of your attribute points in might, dex and perception and intellect. Once you've got some talents and good equipment you can respec to something defensive.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

smilehigh の投稿を引用：

The OP was aking about tankiness,

Show me the definition then. Tanks combine survivability with reliable damage output. Even building a chanter with RES 20 would not give enough Deflection (with the exception that if you ever encounter enemies that miss you often, they might break engagement and try to engage other targets). Chanters in particular can use their weapon while chanting, and they need sufficient Accuracy also if attacking with invocations.

[Wasted_46]

u dont need max MIG and base INT will do.
dumping DEX is good.
increase CON and PER if you can manage.
Leave mechanics for some other guy.
U need Athletics and Lore if this is your scroll caster (which is great for s chanter). If not go Survival and Athletics.
Weapon is hatchet U are not ever supposed to land a hit with your weapon ever.

At low levels u chant "come come swit winds of death"
at mid levels it's the fastest chant you can manage to get a couple spells off at least (chanters really suffer at mid levels on potd)
from lvl9 u go "TDT TDW" and that's all u need tbh.
There are 2 situational high level phases one is the anti- fampyr chant the other is the dragon-easymode one. Take both.

You don't ever ever mix phases. On PoTD you need sheer effectiveness not goofy chant combos.

U need good healers on potd and u invest in survival with tanks for sweet 40% heal bonus.
Slave is best background for tanks.

Anyways... if this is not your main then postpone recruiting him until LVL9 This is where chanters come online. Until that they are just a worse paladin.

[Wasted_46]

D'amarr from Darshiva の投稿を引用：

Show me the definition then. Tanks combine survivability with reliable damage output.

nah tanks are pure survival/defense.
This term comes from MMOs mostly WOW.

[筷子]

thx for input. yes wendigo is right that was the build i was doing but didnt know it only comes online after lvl 9. my chanter tank adventurer only lvl 3. my main char is paladin tank lvl 4

why never attack with chanter with hatchet?

so do u suggest me switch the chanter tank to a diff tank? or rebuild him like Wasted46 suggest?

[wendigo211]

Chanters are a good class, and they do fill a role in the party of summoner better than any other class. However they are not as good as being tanks as other classes. They can off-tank, although I set them up for ranged DPS while using the same chants. Again they aren't the best ranged DPS class, but between their phrases, spells and ranged DPS they fill a valuable role in my party.

So if what you want is a primary tank, you probably want to replace the Chanter with something else. If you primarily want the Chanter phrases and spells, and need an off-tank for your party, then keep the Chanter and either temporarily respec it for DPS until you get a few more levels, or follow Wasted46 suggestions.

[sonntam]

Wasted_46 の投稿を引用：

D'amarr from Darshiva の投稿を引用：

Show me the definition then. Tanks combine survivability with reliable damage output.

nah tanks are pure survival/defense.
This term comes from MMOs mostly WOW.

Tanks also need to hold aggro and their abilities need to hit enemies.

A tank whose taunt misses all the time is worthless. Equally a chanter who on early levels focuses on CC needs to know the spell will hit and not just miss.

And aggro? With lack of additional engagement bonus a warrior for example has, a chanter needs also to do passable damage to hold the attention of enemies.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Wasted_46 の投稿を引用：

This term comes from MMOs mostly WOW.

Those are known better as "meat shields", which can even be completely passive aggro drawing types of characters in heavy armor and with need of healing/regeneration. In POE, Chanters cannot fill that role well, and if you dump DEX and keep Accuracy at Average, you may as well try to survive with much less INT, more CON and even higher RES. Or you turn the Chanter into a real frontline warrior, which works very well for party builds.

[smilehigh]

筷子 の投稿を引用：

hello see here for my stats and build: http://i.imgur.com/hNffbA0.jpg

For more tankiness take a look at this build and read the comments in the thread afterwards.
It's got a stat spread very similar to yours and is oriented towards tanking.

https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/86968-class-build-chillfog-cool-soothing-chanter-tank/

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

And that build suffers from the same problems for many levels.

[Wasted_46]

筷子 の投稿を引用：

why never attack with chanter with hatchet?

ofc you attack with the character with the hatchet; it just doesnt matter if he ever lands a hit or not.
The main point is the chant. The hatchet is there for the extra deflection. With 3 DEX ages pass between every weapon swing anyway.

I used a chanter like this on my frozen crown playthrough and it worked like a charm.