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Panache Jan 17, 2020 @ 9:03pm
I don't want to pull a new vegas and I'm lost as to what to do next. Possible spoilers
What I mean by this is I don't want to finish the game before I'm done with it. I'm on act three and I'm level 10. I'm at the god appeasement part so I can tell I'm almost done with the act. I am trying to do side quests but I got to the baby sacrifice one and I keep getting beat up in the warrior tent. So I decided to grind out levels in Caed Nua but I guess past level 5 I'm going to have issues? I don't know what to do next in the game. Could I do white march? How long should I wait to do the war?
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It seems you've missed side-quests before, or else you would be closer to level 11-12.

Act 3 can be rather short, if you skip all side-quests. Act 4 is the shortest.

A good rule of thumb for the Endless Paths of Od Nua is: dungeon level >= party level, so at party level 10 you should be able to go down to at least level 10 of the dungeon. For the bottom, and considering that combat causes you trouble, better be level 12 or higher. Many players go deep into the depths of the dungeon very early before they realize that they don't have to do that so early, and eventually they realize that it's just a large optional side-quest dungeon they can return to later.

On the other hand, level 10 is sufficient to complete the game - depending on difficulty mode and on what your party can do combat-wise. On the easier modes, game can be completed on levels lower than 10 even.

You could have started with the first area of the White March 1 around level 6-8, since you hear about it around level 4-5, but going there at level 4-5 would be very difficult for anything other than the easist difficulty mode. As an option, you would have travelled forth and back between expansion areas and base game. That would have gained you multiple levels before arriving at Twin Elms. In the expansion areas you can also meet more potential allies for your stronghold defense quest.
Panache Jan 18, 2020 @ 6:27am 
Well dang, I guess I messed up. I'll have to go and do these quests and finish up the game then. Yea I have it on the easiest difficulty because I want to focus on the story.
setdreadstostun Jan 18, 2020 @ 3:23pm 
I'm also level 10 and playing on easy. I did all the god appeasement quests and then went back to tie up loose ends with all of my remaining side quests. I finished Od Nua and then the battle of Yenwood. It's definitely possible to beat Yenwood at level 10.
Now the only things I have left to do other than the endgame are the White March so I'm doing that.
DocCovington Jan 19, 2020 @ 5:19am 
What "baby sacrifice"?? Seems like I missed a side quest, too!
Originally posted by DocCovington:
What "baby sacrifice"?? Seems like I missed a side quest, too!
https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Sacrificial_Bloodlines
DocCovington Jan 19, 2020 @ 12:38pm 
Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:
Originally posted by DocCovington:
What "baby sacrifice"?? Seems like I missed a side quest, too!
https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Sacrificial_Bloodlines
Ahh, the one baby girl. Yes, I did that one. But the sacrifice part was just a cover-up for his real motives. It was all about keeping his power, that's why it didn't click when I read that.
Boomscleby Jan 19, 2020 @ 1:58pm 
Yeah you've missed out at least some side quests. Were you given the option to 'scale difficulty' when you first went to Elmshore? If not you absolutely missed a good chunk of content. I bum-rushed the game on my first run, found Elmshore impossible and completely crippled my endgame, the second time I went completionist and I think actually hit Elmshore at lvl12 (didn't have DLC caps at the time)

God Appeasement isn't 'quite' at the end-game stage yet so you can carry on without fear for the time being. I do believe the 'point of no return' has a popup warning (and saves start to title themselves 'End-Game' or something) but basically non-spoiler; think practically, if you're about to collapse a cave entrance behind yourself, or jump down a bottomless hole, or kill yourself, or something else that's thematically 'un-returnable from' then it probably is.

As for stuff you haven't done yet, again trying to be spoiler-free:
• You said yourself you've not gone past lvl5 in Caed Nua? Keep going. You'll know when you can't go further.
• Have you helped out everyone in Gilded Vale? Including the one in particular who probably needs re 'helping' once he's found his faith?
• What about Dyrford? And each zone in Defiance Bay? There's at least several side-quests in each Defiance Bay map (DB is a little hard because of the sheer number of backer NPCs, I found myself running around holding Tab looking for anyone without a gilded nameplate.), have you been to all the drinking joints, including the new ones?
• Have you collected and helped out every available companion? (There are 8 total excluding DLC)
• Are you positive you're the undisputed ruler of Caed Nua? Rulers generally have a sceptre and ring to display their authority...
• Have you been back to each map? Sometimes people move in after you've gone.
• Have you completely upgraded Caed Nua? One section in particular offers a pretty large chunk of content to play through...

Also, at 10 you shouldn't be struggling too much with the Bloodlines fight. I'd re-assess your party and setup, look at where you're placing people and targeting and casting. Maybe relevel if you feel you picked poorly in the past.
Panache Jan 19, 2020 @ 4:51pm 
Thank you so much for that last part. I'm currently working on the white March stuff. When can I grab white March 2? Ok let's see about gilded vale. I thought I finished it. I'll go back to defiance bay. I've finished two companions maybe three. But I have very weak companions that I'll have to level lol. Yea I should go back and fight that one guy that's somehow alive again in breath. And I havent upgraded caed nua cuz it keeps getting stuff destroyed. But you have points that I should go back and look at things. To gilded Vale I go! But let me know about white March 2 as well.
Panache Jan 19, 2020 @ 4:52pm 
Also turns out I'm level 9 lol looks like gilded vale is done done. So you can spoil that faith thing. Dyrford is next.
Last edited by Panache; Jan 19, 2020 @ 5:10pm
To avoid destruction of Caed Nua, you absolutely need to return with your party and defend it yourself. Don't hope that the hired guards will manage to defend the keep in your absence always. That's too much of a risk due to random numbers.

If you talk about "weak companions", also tell something about your Watcher. Companions like Eder, Aloth and Zahua (but not limited to them) can become very powerful. However, many players turn Eder into a heavy-armored guy who hides behind a shield, and then he becomes less useful.

The White March 2 unlocks when you're done with The White March 1 and follow the instructions.
Boomscleby Jan 20, 2020 @ 8:18am 
Grab White March 2 whenever to be honest. It's absolutely a 'sequel' and takes place after you finish WM1 so you're not missing out on any content options before finishing the WM1 questline (and you'll need to be around lvl12 for that I think unless you're cheesing/particularly good)

Don't forget the wilderness maps too. The game isn't 'expansive' I admit but there are a good few maps, including ones you will miss without hunting or the related quests to direct you there. There is at least one encounter you can only get by returning to a previous map after unlocking Elmshore.

The one guy who's alive again is worth fighting. A nice bit of loot and IMO one of the good 'early' challenge battles to practice your party on.

Upgrade Caed Nua. There are plenty of perks to doing so and like I said, a solid chunk of game content to be missed out on if you don't. As for it being destroyed, like I said earlier, think practically about the game (it does this remarkably well tbh, first game I've played with decent "things work logically" scripting), you're a superpowered Watcher-hero-person with a team of murderously talented people. If you've just been notified a band of raiders are about to attack the stronghold, who's going to protect it the best, a handful of mercenaries you're paying 20gp a day and a wistful ghost-throne, or you?

If your companions are weak that's on you (Mostly. I absolutely have a few companions that I just CANNOT stop from being downed in the first three seconds of a fight. But that's still just me and my playstyle.) You can 're-level' any character at an Inn and redistribute talents so maybe do that (if you need money....upgrade Caed.) Take a little time and think about what you're trying to do with them and level and equip accordingly. Using Kana as a summoner? avoid higher chants and stick to the faster ones to roll out summons earlier. No point giving Eder the +area-of-effect gear when it would work better on Aloth with his fireballs. Etc etc.

The game isn't terribly 'hard' by and large. But it IS easy to 'jack of all trades' yourself into being unable to beat the harder fights.
Boomscleby Jan 20, 2020 @ 8:21am 
Oh, oh, oh. Also.

If you're 100% positive you've found everything in the area. Pull up the map on the Pillars Wiki and check.

I know everyones mileage varies on RPing and 'playing it honestly' and some see using a wikia as cheating, but I'm a completionist at heart and I do wind up googling maps when I'm 'finished' to see if I missed anything. There are definitely a few side-quests that are easily missed (or perhaps it's just me, I got annoyed early on with the "Read this soul?" response to so many NPCs and stopped trying to talk to everyone)
Panache Jan 20, 2020 @ 8:14pm 
So I still can't beat sacrificial bloodlines. I'm at level 10 now(I guess I was actually level 9 originally) I have gotten better at the game itself. My party is me (rogue) eder, pellagrina or whatever the spelling is, the mother, the druid, and durance. So far my strategy was to surround the bad guy and get my rogue in. durance stayed in the center of everyone healing eder and pella would tank some people while the mother dominated some guys and my druid lobbed spells. So far I hold my own for a little bit then all of a sudden BOOM a nuke of some sort goes off and takes out most if not all of my party's endurance and I don't know what is doing it.
Boomscleby Jan 21, 2020 @ 4:25am 
When that happens pause the game and look through the combat log and see what's caused it.

However in itself it's pretty good advice for what you should change up. If a 'nuke' keeps wiping your entire party, then spread them out a bit more so whoever's throwing a nuke at you can only catch one or two people in the blast.

Durance: Are you putting him in heavy armour as a fighting priest? If not keeping him in the centre of the action seems like a bad idea. Put him in a safe spot away from being easily attacked and most of his spells will reach into the crowd just fine; for the few 'aoe around caster' spells he can run closer, drop a Radiance and run back out of danger.
Panache Jan 21, 2020 @ 9:09pm 
The problem with keeping him in the back is my party gets surrounded because theres like a huge number of enemies in the scenario. I'm thinking I might try to find a way to intellect my way through the encounter.
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