Pillars of Eternity

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Baldurs_Gate_2 2020 年 4 月 9 日 下午 7:58
Pillars of Eternity Class Tier List
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最后由 Baldurs_Gate_2 编辑于; 2021 年 11 月 28 日 下午 3:21
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mr.raider2 2020 年 4 月 10 日 上午 6:17 
Just realized a solo wizard can use a bunch of spells that are tough on party because of friendly fire considerations.
D'amarr from Darshiva 2020 年 4 月 10 日 上午 8:09 
引用自 Baldurs_Gate_2
Mode: PotD Solo Upscaled

Considered are all characters at level 16 with the best gear available
Well, there's the fallacy. You don't start at level 16, but at level 1, and therefore your list is dubious.
smilehigh 2020 年 4 月 10 日 上午 9:35 
Only 0,3% of players completed the game in solo mode.
PoE is a party based game, even if it allows solo play.
A class should not be assessed based only on its ability to solo.
最后由 smilehigh 编辑于; 2020 年 4 月 10 日 上午 9:36
Baldurs_Gate_2 2020 年 4 月 10 日 下午 4:57 
引用自 Baldurs_Gate_2
Mode: PotD Solo Upscaled

Considered are all characters at level 16 with the best gear available
Well, there's the fallacy. You don't start at level 16, but at level 1, and therefore your list is dubious.

True, but nobody cares about trash mobs, everybody can kill them. The hard fights are the one that count and there you have to perform.

引用自 smilehigh
Only 0,3% of players completed the game in solo mode.
PoE is a party based game, even if it allows solo play.
A class should not be assessed based only on its ability to solo.

It's only a party based game in the mind of casual players. I try to play most party based rpgs solo if i can do it, because the games are just made too easy for groups.
最后由 Baldurs_Gate_2 编辑于; 2020 年 4 月 10 日 下午 4:59
smilehigh 2020 年 4 月 10 日 下午 6:14 
引用自 Baldurs_Gate_2
True, but nobody cares about trash mobs, everybody can kill them. The hard fights are the one that count and there you have to perform.

Would love to see a video of how your #1 wizard performs against the "trash mob" pack of boars in Magran's Fork at level 3-4 on POtD without resorting to split-pulling.
(Though depending on circumstances some fights maybe easier in solo play as you don't have to worry about the AoE damage for your party members)

It's only a party based game in the mind of casual players.

It's a party based game in the mind of the developers.

I try to play most party based rpgs solo if i can do it, because the games are just made too easy for groups.

You miss a lot of system complexity and class synergies then.
最后由 smilehigh 编辑于; 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 4:28
D'amarr from Darshiva 2020 年 4 月 10 日 下午 10:40 
引用自 Baldurs_Gate_2
True, but nobody cares about trash mobs, everybody can kill them. The hard fights are the one that count and there you have to perform.
That's the fallacy. If you start at level 1 wizard on PotD mode, you are a weakling, who doesn't know the essential spells yet, who doesn't know per encounter spells either and who doesn't have access to tons of potions as to raise protections, for example. You also start with -10 to -5 base Accuracy compared with some other classes. No need to take up with all "trash mobs" right away, but the game features some roadblocks here and there.
Holy Fool Sehrael 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 6:22 
Regarding Solo-runs, what about being charmed? Isn't that a big problem?
Baldurs_Gate_2 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 6:42 
引用自 smilehigh
引用自 Baldurs_Gate_2
True, but nobody cares about trash mobs, everybody can kill them. The hard fights are the one that count and there you have to perform.

Would love to see a video of how your #1 wizard performs against the "trash mob" pack of boars in Magran's Fork at level 3-4 on POtD without resorting to split-pulling.
(Though depending on circumstances some fights maybe easier in solo play as you don't have to worry about the AoE damage for your party members)

It's only a party based game in the mind of casual players.

It's a party based game in the mind of the developers.

I try to play most party based rpgs solo if i can do it, because the games are just made too easy for groups.

You miss a lot of system complexity and class synergies then.

Solo play has to have different strategies. Otherwise, you could just play solo and group would be even easier. There is no need to do every fight right away if you can just skip it. The rewards are not even mentionable.

引用自 Sehrael
Regarding Solo-runs, what about being charmed? Isn't that a big problem?

You have no party members, so who you gonna attack? Charm ends just in 2 - 3 seconds and nothing happens.
最后由 Baldurs_Gate_2 编辑于; 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 6:49
mr.raider2 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 7:03 
Care to share your solo build and equipment as well as level up progression. I wouldn't mind going for the solo achievement. Hard or PoTD either way.
smilehigh 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 7:44 
引用自 Baldurs_Gate_2
Solo play has to have different strategies. Otherwise, you could just play solo and group would be even easier. There is no need to do every fight right away if you can just skip it. The rewards are not even mentionable.

I thought you were talking about difficulty, challenge and "hard fights". There is no need to do the bog dragon fight either, it's optional. And by the time you're able to do it solo its rewards may be considered negligible too as at this point you can win every fight in the game without them.

Your rating is based on solo play, max level and late game equipment. Yet you have to either ignore half of the early game encounters or kite, split-pull and use other cowardly and tedious tactics to survive. Such gameplay also requires metaknowledge. This is by all means viable, but making a universal rating of classes based on it is not clever.

In other words don't brag about killing dragons if you can't beat the boars when you first encounter them.
最后由 smilehigh 编辑于; 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 7:51
D'amarr from Darshiva 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 9:14 
引用自 Sehrael
Regarding Solo-runs, what about being charmed? Isn't that a big problem?
Similarly to Paralyzed, such as if facing a Xaurip Skirmisher, you need a way out of it, or else you would be Charmed/Dominated constantly or too frequently - likely being unable to launch helpful counter-attacks.

引用自 Baldurs_Gate_2
Solo play has to have different strategies. Otherwise, you could just play solo and group would be even easier. There is no need to do every fight right away if you can just skip it. The rewards are not even mentionable.
A party of six can apply the same strategies and tactics as a single character. Afterall, there is the "Relative Pacifism" achievement for avoiding as many kills as possible. It involves Stealth usage, but a solo character needs to level up early on as to gain further skills needed for quest completion.

引用自 smilehigh
There is no need to do the bog dragon fight either, it's optional. And by the time you're able to do it solo its rewards may be considered negligible too as at this point you can win every fight in the game without them.
The fight is mandatory if going for the mentioned "The Ultimate" achievement. And depending on class, the fight isn't trivial. Lots of kiting and healing may be required. Here's a video I once linked about someone using a rogue:
--> https://steamcommunity.com/app/291650/discussions/0/135514507323406987/

Most of the time, if people show off "PotD solo builds" in a video, they only send into a battle a level 16 character using best equipment. And usually those videos feature sections where the character gets into trouble and only survives out of sheer luck and because of gulping potions.
smilehigh 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 9:29 
引用自 smilehigh
There is no need to do the bog dragon fight either, it's optional. And by the time you're able to do it solo its rewards may be considered negligible too as at this point you can win every fight in the game without them.
The fight is mandatory if going for the mentioned "The Ultimate" achievement. And depending on class, the fight isn't trivial. Lots of kiting and healing may be required. Here's a video I once linked about someone using a rogue:
--> https://steamcommunity.com/app/291650/discussions/0/135514507323406987/

Most of the time, if people show off "PotD solo builds" in a video, they only send into a battle a level 16 character using best equipment. And usually those videos feature sections where the character gets into trouble and only survives out of sheer luck and because of gulping potions.

Not to argue with you, but while the fight is mandatory for "The Ultimate", the achievement itself is not mandatory for players. It caters to very specific subgroup of people who value achievements.
D'amarr from Darshiva 2020 年 4 月 11 日 上午 9:36 
引用自 smilehigh
Not to argue with you, but while the fight is mandatory for "The Ultimate", the achievement itself is not mandatory for players. It caters to very specific subgroup of people who value achievements.
Well, OP referred to it:
Wizard [...] Easiest class to do the ultimate achievement.
That is why I commented on it.
Baldurs_Gate_2 2020 年 4 月 11 日 下午 1:26 
引用自 mr.raider2
Care to share your solo build and equipment as well as level up progression. I wouldn't mind going for the solo achievement. Hard or PoTD either way.

Depends on the class =)
Malric 2021 年 11 月 28 日 下午 2:47 
引用自 smilehigh
Only 0,3% of players completed the game in solo mode.
PoE is a party based game, even if it allows solo play.
A class should not be assessed based only on its ability to solo.

It's a party based game in the mind of the developers.

You miss a lot of system complexity and class synergies then.

The game has multiple achievements that are based on solo play. Those achievements are the hardest to obtain achievements in the game.

It is very obvious that the developers intended on people actually trying to accomplish this task. As it is the most challenging of all tasks and the presence of a party really diminishes the need for individual strength assessment, I would argue that this guide is actually far more needed than one based on party play.

Your apparent ESP, that "It's a party based game in the mind of the developers", is clearly misread.

Solo and Party based play were both clearly in the minds of the developers, as proven by the code of said developers.

The existence of the Solo, Tripple Crown Solo, and Frozen Crown Solo achievements should make this very clear.

Also, Just because someone completes the game solo doesn't mean they'll never complete it with a party as well. There is nothing that stops someone who has played the game solo from experiencing everything the game has to offer. However, anyone who doesn't ever do this clearly misses out on a completely different challenging experience the developers meant us to experience.
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