How would you build Pallegina as an effiecient party member ?

[Shino82k]

Now in my party im using :
1 - Cipher as Backlash beldam build (from boerer in obsidian forum)
2 - Eder as my main tanker
3 - Kana -> my offtank
4 - Aloth -> dps + debuff
5 - Priest -> support priest + debuff
6 - Grieving mother -> debuff and dps (although not much dps lol)

I feel like wanted to use Pallegina.but i dont know with whom should i change and what build is really fit into my party

[taciturn(o)]

You can build Pallegina to be a off-tank or a shooter, well... she will be more of a buffer than anything else, you just have to choose where you want the buffs, in your melee line or in your ranged line.

Grieving Mother is not doing damage? Just give her a blunderbuss and build around it, markman passive, weapon focus peasent.

Your party has 3 melee and 3 ranged?

[Shino82k]

Originally posted by molotov.:

You can build Pallegina to be a off-tank or a shooter, well... she will be more of a buffer than anything else, you just have to choose where you want the buffs, in your melee line or in your ranged line.

Grieving Mother is not doing damage? Just give her a blunderbuss and build around it, markman passive, weapon focus peasent.

Your party has 3 melee and 3 ranged?

yup.3 melee and 3 range.should i swap eder with pallegina ?

[Wasted_46]

if anything swap kana. he sucks.
pllegrina sucks as well but upgraded zealous focus is about the best talent in the whole game so you cannot rly go wrong with that.

[Shino82k]

Originally posted by Wasted_46:

if anything swap kana. he sucks.
pllegrina sucks as well but upgraded zealous focus is about the best talent in the whole game so you cannot rly go wrong with that.

why did you say kana and pallegina sucks ? is it because of their NPC companion ingame stat ?

because i think kana chant is really helpfull in early fight such as terrified + frightened

[Wasted_46]

Originally posted by Shino82k:

Originally posted by Wasted_46:

if anything swap kana. he sucks.
pllegrina sucks as well but upgraded zealous focus is about the best talent in the whole game so you cannot rly go wrong with that.

why did you say kana and pallegina sucks ? is it because of their NPC companion ingame stat ?

because i think kana chant is really helpfull in early fight such as terrified + frightened

yeah well early fights.
on normal and below everything is good.
on hard and potd by running kana you miss out on the opportunity cost of running an actual party member instead.
chanter is a god on potd but not kana. he is in this middle gound of not being good enough for ranged and not being good enough for melee either.

[Shino82k]

Originally posted by Wasted_46:

Originally posted by Shino82k:

why did you say kana and pallegina sucks ? is it because of their NPC companion ingame stat ?

because i think kana chant is really helpfull in early fight such as terrified + frightened

yeah well early fights.
on normal and below everything is good.
on hard and potd by running kana you miss out on the opportunity cost of running an actual party member instead.
chanter is a god on potd but not kana. he is in this middle gound of not being good enough for ranged and not being good enough for melee either.

im playing on hard.i put kana as off-tank.weapon and shield.so far so good.finishing act 2.but maybe i havn't encounter hard enemy yet ?

[Wasted_46]

Originally posted by Shino82k:

im playing on hard.i put kana as off-tank.weapon and shield.so far so good.finishing act 2.but maybe i havn't encounter hard enemy yet ?

the thing about opportunity costs is that they are not always apparent.
all I can say is that build a custom chanter and be amazed.

[taciturn(o)]

Originally posted by Shino82k:

Originally posted by molotov.:

You can build Pallegina to be a off-tank or a shooter, well... she will be more of a buffer than anything else, you just have to choose where you want the buffs, in your melee line or in your ranged line.

Grieving Mother is not doing damage? Just give her a blunderbuss and build around it, markman passive, weapon focus peasent.

Your party has 3 melee and 3 ranged?

yup.3 melee and 3 range.should i swap eder with pallegina ?

Edér is the only companion that can be the main tank. Pallegina is a decent off tank and an awesome buffer - because of her godlike unique skill - but she can't do the main tanking, I would swap her with Kana.

Kana is best used at range with an arbalest or war bow - I prefer the arbalest - because of his good perception and might he can score some good crits, his summons are amazing, but you will not notice that until level 10 when he gets the best summon in the game.

I would not advice to leave Kana behind because he is a really good character if you want to know the lore of the game.

I would make my party like this: Edér, Pallegina (if you want to use her), and your character in the front line. Kana, Grieving mother and priest at range, Kana has a chant called Sure-Handed Ila Nocked Her Arrows with Speed that will give him and anyone near him +20% Reload Speed and +20% Ranged Attack Speed this will increase your damage output by a lot.

My party at the moment is: My character as the main tank, Edér dual sabers, Durance buffs, Itumaak - he is one of my top damage dealers, his crits can do 60-70 damage it's absurd - that is my front line. Grieving Mother, Sagani and Kana using his Sure-Handed they are doing all the damage in the party and when things get messy I just use Kana's summons.

I don't know what that guy is talking about lol, Kana is one of the most reliable companions in the game, he is doing 30-40 damage per hit with his arbalest and knocking people on the ground at the same time debuffing the enemy team and summoning those beasts to help me, sure... before level 7 he sucks but almost everyone sucks before level 7...

[Shino82k]

yeah.actually the main reason i keep kana,aloth and grieving mother is because of the lore.i really want to know their story.and durance to.the only one that maybe i dont care much about the lore is eder.thats why i try to switch eder with pallegina.but eder is my tanker.and pallegina cant tank as him,maybe as you guys said good as offtank.

sagani ittumak really do a lot of damage ? wow i didnt know that haha.i dont know how to use ittumak.thats why i leave sagani behind.but i know she can do a lot of dmg as dps

Now im thinking either aloth or eder to swap.because as you said kana is good for his lore.and i like him in the party (funny guy)

[Wasted_46]

pallegrina is pretty okay for tanking purposes below potd
i really tried a couple times to make kana work but just couldnt

[Wasted_46]

Originally posted by molotov.:

I don't know what that guy is talking about lol, Kana is one of the most reliable companions in the game, he is doing 30-40 damage per hit with his arbalest

30-40... gee whiz.

dude pls google "opportunity cost" and think about its meaning in context of this game.
do it for me would you?

[Shino82k]

i never heard about 'opportunity cost' and i dont understand it much what you mean.can you explain more ? it would really help

[7FOUR]

Originally posted by Shino82k:

i never heard about 'opportunity cost' and i dont understand it much what you mean.can you explain more ? it would really help

"Opportunity cost" is a term refering to a potential gain that has been forfeited by one's course of action, thereby indirectly becoming a cost. A more common euphamism for the concept would be "leaving money on the table". As it relates to PoE (and games in general), Wasted_46 is implying that Kana is a suboptimal party member and you're losing out by not filling that party slot with someone more optimized. Frankly, I wouldn't worry about it. Min-maxing your party only matters for challenge runs, and in that case, you'd never run with ANY of the story companions anyways.

[taciturn(o)]

Originally posted by Wasted_46:

Originally posted by molotov.:

I don't know what that guy is talking about lol, Kana is one of the most reliable companions in the game, he is doing 30-40 damage per hit with his arbalest

30-40... gee whiz.

dude pls google "opportunity cost" and think about its meaning in context of this game.
do it for me would you?

Yes he is doing 30-40 and his Ogre's are doing 40-50, Sagani and Grieving Mother are doing 20% more damage because of him, Sagani does 18-28 per hit - hunter bow so that is 1 hit per 2 seconds - Grieving Mother is doing 60-80 with the blunderbuss, everyone at level 11, maybe you don't know how to use the chanter class... maybe...

[Wasted_46]

i kind of finished frozen crown with a chanter.