Worth restarting as Cipher?

[Paladin]

Greetings, everyone!

So, I am having a blast playing but I also want to use the 3 returning party members on Deadfire, so even though I am a 2Handed Paladin, Pallegina is basically covering the same niche as my character.

Should I restart as a Cipher or am I ok to run the 5 man party of Deadfire with basically two 2Handed Paladins?

I am playing on the highest difficulty below Path of the Damned, Veteran, I think.

My party for PoE1 would be MC (2Hander Paladin), Aloth as a control Wizard. Eder as a Shield Tank, Pallegina as a 2Hander Paladin, Durance as a Support Cleric and Kana Rua as a support Chanter.

My party for PoE2 would be MC 2Hander Paladin, Pallegina 2Hander Paladin, Aloth as a control Wizard, Eder as a Shield Tank Fighter, and Xoti as a support Cleric.

I am not a min-maxer and choose options on RP.

I am a veteran of IE games.

Am I missing two nuch by having two 2Hander Paladins? I would prefer to switch my MC to a Cipher instead of changing Pallegina.

What say you?

Any thoughts are appreciated!

[Armanz]

Overall two weapon style is more effective in both Pillars, but especially in Deadfire. However if you're familiar with Pillars you can pretty much do whatever you want on Veteran and make it work.

[Paladin]

Publicado originalmente por Armanz:

Overall two weapon style is more effective in both Pillars, but especially in Deadfire. However if you're familiar with Pillars you can pretty much do whatever you want on Veteran and make it work.

So, you think that I won't be crippling the party two much by keeping basically two copies of the same chatacter?

I am not that much knowleadgeable in PoR character building but I am extremely familiar with isometric Pause&Play and Tabletop RPGs so I am not completely at a loss as to what I want my characters to do in combat.

Is Veteran not really challenging? Should I restart on PoTD?

[Armanz]

Veteran is not really challenging when you have already played PoE1 at least once and know what you're doing. If you're familiar with the game concept but not with PoE then Veteran will be challenging enough. You can change the difficulties at any time though. I wouldn't go higher than Veteran in your case. I misunderstood you and thought you had already played both games once.

And no you won't be crippling yourself. You could build the 2 paladins in 2 entirely different ways. You could focus on Might & Perception with a single target 2 handed-weapon one 1 Paladin picking skills like flames of devotion, two handed style, improved critical, (greater) lay on hands, chain healing etc. to maximize damage output, accuracy & your healing abilities and have the other focus on Constitution, Dexterity & Resolve with a 2handed weapon that targets enemies in a cone picking abilities such as divining purpose, inspired defenses, bears fortitude, bulls will, sacred immolation, spell resistance etc for a tanky & fast acting Paladin that hits multiple enemies. Not saying these are optimal builds, just trying to point out how different directions are possible for the same classes wielding the same type of weapon.

[Paladin]

Publicado originalmente por Armanz:

Veteran is not really challenging when you have already played PoE1 at least once and know what you're doing. If you're familiar with the game concept but not with PoE then Veteran will be challenging enough. You can change the difficulties at any time though. I wouldn't go higher than Veteran in your case. I misunderstood you and thought you had already played both games once.

And no you won't be crippling yourself. You could build the 2 paladins in 2 entirely different ways. You could focus on Might & Perception with a single target 2 handed-weapon one 1 Paladin picking skills like flames of devotion, two handed style, improved critical, (greater) lay on hands, chain healing etc. to maximize damage output, accuracy & your healing abilities and have the other focus on Constitution, Dexterity & Resolve with a 2handed weapon that targets enemies in a cone picking abilities such as divining purpose, inspired defenses, bears fortitude, bulls will, sacred immolation, spell resistance etc for a tanky & fast acting Paladin that hits multiple enemies. Not saying these are optimal builds, just trying to point out how different directions are possible for the same classes wielding the same type of weapon.

Ok, thank you!

Yes that was precisely what I was looking for.

[Ryzor]

I just started a new playthrough on POTD with a similar setup. My MC is dual-wielding paladin and pallengina will be a 2hander. I love paladins so its no issue in my mind! And if I can get through on POTD without min-maxing and playing for the RP you will have no trouble on Hard difficulty.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Just don't plan ahead for PoE 2 too much before you've had a first look at that game.

Weapon crafting has been changed in that game. It is no longer possible to upgrade or enhance ordinary items. Only unique and soulbound equipment can be upgraded and enhanced in unique ways.

Weapon specialization talents have been revamped, too.

There is a shortage of some weapon types. Some weapons are much more popular in the Deadfire: --> https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/List_of_unique_weapons_(Deadfire)

And finally, you will get to recreate your main character at level 1 anyways, regardless of whether you import a savegame file from PoE 1 or if usiong the history editor.

[psychotron666]

Plus you can always plan to multi class in the second game making your pc even more unique.

[Paladin]

Publicado originalmente por Ryzor:

I just started a new playthrough on POTD with a similar setup. My MC is dual-wielding paladin and pallengina will be a 2hander. I love paladins so its no issue in my mind! And if I can get through on POTD without min-maxing and playing for the RP you will have no trouble on Hard difficulty.

Yeah, Paladins FTW!

I was thinking of making Pallegina a sword and board but I don't know, I like her setup.

Glad to see there are a lot of unique Greatawords in 2 :D

I dislike bloating of numbers but I am tempted to go PoTD because I reas it brings different encounter setups that are more challenging.

Can you please weight in on that, in your experience with it so far?

Publicado originalmente por D'amarr from Darshiva:

Just don't plan ahead for PoE 2 too much before you've had a first look at that game.

Weapon crafting has been changed in that game. It is no longer possible to upgrade or enhance ordinary items. Only unique and soulbound equipment can be upgraded and enhanced in unique ways.

Weapon specialization talents have been revamped, too.

There is a shortage of some weapon types. Some weapons are much more popular in the Deadfire: --> https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/List_of_unique_weapons_(Deadfire)

And finally, you will get to recreate your main character at level 1 anyways, regardless of whether you import a savegame file from PoE 1 or if usiong the history editor.

Thanks for the info!

Even if I redo my character I like 2 Handed swords and Knight/Crusader/Paladin types so most likely I will spec it as close to what I have in 1.

Publicado originalmente por psychotron666:

Plus you can always plan to multi class in the second game making your pc even more unique.

Never been a fan of multiclassing. Not in D&D nor Baldur's Gate. Im I missing much for sticking to single class only on all my party members?

[Ryzor]

Publicado originalmente por Val Dorminov:

Publicado originalmente por Ryzor:

I just started a new playthrough on POTD with a similar setup. My MC is dual-wielding paladin and pallengina will be a 2hander. I love paladins so its no issue in my mind! And if I can get through on POTD without min-maxing and playing for the RP you will have no trouble on Hard difficulty.

Yeah, Paladins FTW!

I was thinking of making Pallegina a sword and board but I don't know, I like her setup.

Glad to see there are a lot of unique Greatawords in 2 :D

I dislike bloating of numbers but I am tempted to go PoTD because I reas it brings different encounter setups that are more challenging.

Can you please weight in on that, in your experience with it so far?

Paladins!!! :D

I previously went through the first two thirds of the game including WM1 with a similar setup on POTD but got too busy with RL to finish. Personally, I found it got easier as you play, if you are a completionist you will definitely start to be overleveled for most quests (depending on the order you do them). I found White March to be a fair bit more difficult than the vanilla portion of the game, but can't speak for WM2 as I never got around to it. If you enjoy the combat, and like to really plan out encounters then I highly recommend POTD, you won't want to go back, even if you are more RP focused like me.

I have two weeks off now so will be hopefully finishing this new playthrough to finally get around to my Collector's Edition of POE2! Good luck with your playthrough :)

[Paladin]

Publicado originalmente por Ryzor:

Publicado originalmente por Val Dorminov:

Yeah, Paladins FTW!

I was thinking of making Pallegina a sword and board but I don't know, I like her setup.

Glad to see there are a lot of unique Greatawords in 2 :D

I dislike bloating of numbers but I am tempted to go PoTD because I reas it brings different encounter setups that are more challenging.

Can you please weight in on that, in your experience with it so far?

Paladins!!! :D

I previously went through the first two thirds of the game including WM1 with a similar setup on POTD but got too busy with RL to finish. Personally, I found it got easier as you play, if you are a completionist you will definitely start to be overleveled for most quests (depending on the order you do them). I found White March to be a fair bit more difficult than the vanilla portion of the game, but can't speak for WM2 as I never got around to it. If you enjoy the combat, and like to really plan out encounters then I highly recommend POTD, you won't want to go back, even if you are more RP focused like me.

I have two weeks off now so will be hopefully finishing this new playthrough to finally get around to my Collector's Edition of POE2! Good luck with your playthrough :)

Hopefully you can get that playthrough started!

I appreciate the reply. I think I'll give PoTD a shot and see how it goes.

[ColorsFade]

First, IMO, yes, Ciphers rule. I wrote a guide for PoE1:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1293352068

Personally, I would never play either game without one. They're simply too awesome and too much fun for me to ignore.

Second, your party configuration of two Paladins in PoE1 is exactly how I play it.

My favorite party setup:

Main: Cipher
Eder
Pellegina (2-hander, second front-line fighter, defensive Aura)
Priest (Adventurer, not Durance)
Paladin (Adventurer, offensive Aura, 2-hander, Strange Mercy)
Aloth


In PoE2 I drop the 2nd Adventurer Paladin and just go with the five. I used Xoti my first time through the game. Second time through I did my custom Adventurer again.

The key in PoE1, for me, with two paladins, is to make one offensive focused and one defensive focused, so nothing really overlaps.

[Insubordination]

Publicado originalmente por D'amarr from Darshiva:

Just don't plan ahead for PoE 2 too much before you've had a first look at that game.

Weapon crafting has been changed in that game. It is no longer possible to upgrade or enhance ordinary items. Only unique and soulbound equipment can be upgraded and enhanced in unique ways.

Weapon specialization talents have been revamped, too.

There is a shortage of some weapon types. Some weapons are much more popular in the Deadfire: --> https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/List_of_unique_weapons_(Deadfire)

And finally, you will get to recreate your main character at level 1 anyways, regardless of whether you import a savegame file from PoE 1 or if usiong the history editor.

Will finer crafted equipment still exist? +4 acc 15% dmg