Stop pitting newbs and average players with pros

[McShootUrFace]

It's something I got pissed at as a year ago, but sucked it up cause I didn't think much of it. "Maybe I just need to get gud."
A year later, I'm gold and after only three successful Ranked 1v1 matches I'm being pitted to fight ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DIAMOND and PLATINUM (or whatever ranks) getting my ass handed to me.
I didn't even play this game again after a week for the same ♥♥♥♥ I had to deal with.

This ranked matching system is ♥♥♥♥ because:
A) Players like me can't play a regular match of Brawlhalla without annihilating the casuals
B) It feels like you're being thrown straight into the tournament leagues
C) You can't get better if you don't practice winning against ranks the same as you

Not to mention the leveling system and how easy it is to hit gold

[katefreeze]

just because people have diamond or plat dosent men they are currently at that rank. they couldve taken a long long break and have to get bck in the swing of things, or they hit it by luck/paying someone to boost them (or getting carried in 2v2s) and not actually at that skill level. yes there are some outliers but there always will be.

Yes, gold is not that har to get to for the avarage player. Thats why gold has the highest amount of players in it outta all the ranks, but then there is a sharper learning curve for the next one. Just play more and get better, and most importantly don't blame the game for your own problems. even if you are against someone way better than you take it as a learning experiance.

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It's still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though when some diamond smurf comes down to block you.

[katefreeze]

Originally posted by 😈:

It's still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though when some diamond smurf comes down to block you.

sometimes yeah that will happen, but your recover soon enough. Or again, they are a diamond that didnt play for a while. Every so often you also play against someone who you are way way better than as well

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Originally posted by Freeze:

Originally posted by 😈:

It's still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though when some diamond smurf comes down to block you.

sometimes yeah that will happen, but your recover soon enough. Or again, they are a diamond that didnt play for a while. Every so often you also play against someone who you are way way better than as well

Yeah and that's no fun either and to be honest when you're gold ranked it seems like the game's match making prioritizes matching you with people who have no chance in hell against you or people you stand no chance in hell against over matching you with players at a similar level

[katefreeze]

Originally posted by 😈:

Originally posted by Freeze:

sometimes yeah that will happen, but your recover soon enough. Or again, they are a diamond that didnt play for a while. Every so often you also play against someone who you are way way better than as well

Yeah and that's no fun either and to be honest when you're gold ranked it seems like the game's match making prioritizes matching you with people who have no chance in hell against you or people you stand no chance in hell against over matching you with players at a similar level

There isnt any way you can fix people smurfing. That's a problem with every game, esp a free one. It's really hard trying to find someone that's at the "same level as you" because there are lots of variables like whether you play well agaisnt that certain playstyle, or someone just had a really unlucky streak or played when they wernt feeling good, lost alot of ELO then came back. The the algorithm isnt an AI that knows every in and out of your playstyle and can pit you against someone similar (which wouldnt be a good thing anyways, because its good to play against people with different styles). There really isn't anything they can do to "fix it".

[McShootUrFace]

Originally posted by Freeze:

Originally posted by 😈:

Yeah and that's no fun either and to be honest when you're gold ranked it seems like the game's match making prioritizes matching you with people who have no chance in hell against you or people you stand no chance in hell against over matching you with players at a similar level

There isnt any way you can fix people smurfing. That's a problem with every game, esp a free one. It's really hard trying to find someone that's at the "same level as you" because there are lots of variables like whether you play well agaisnt that certain playstyle, or someone just had a really unlucky streak or played when they wernt feeling good, lost alot of ELO then came back. The the algorithm isnt an AI that knows every in and out of your playstyle and can pit you against someone similar (which wouldnt be a good thing anyways, because its good to play against people with different styles). There really isn't anything they can do to "fix it".

Would an optional rank filter in online matchmaking be possible? Sure, it's a very general way to categorize players, but you could make put it into beta first to see what responses it gets from the community.

While there is no sure-solution, giving players an alternative is better than giving them no choice at all. :)

Besides, not everyone who plays Brawlhalla is playing for skill anyhow. This would be a good feature to have even for the casual fighter audience as well.

[katefreeze]

Originally posted by McShootUrFace:

Originally posted by Freeze:

There isnt any way you can fix people smurfing. That's a problem with every game, esp a free one. It's really hard trying to find someone that's at the "same level as you" because there are lots of variables like whether you play well agaisnt that certain playstyle, or someone just had a really unlucky streak or played when they wernt feeling good, lost alot of ELO then came back. The the algorithm isnt an AI that knows every in and out of your playstyle and can pit you against someone similar (which wouldnt be a good thing anyways, because its good to play against people with different styles). There really isn't anything they can do to "fix it".

Would an optional rank filter in online matchmaking be possible? Sure, it's a very general way to categorize players, but you could make put it into beta first to see what responses it gets from the community.

While there is no sure-solution, giving players an alternative is better than giving them no choice at all. :)

Besides, not everyone who plays Brawlhalla is playing for skill anyhow. This would be a good feature to have even for the casual fighter audience as well.

Like making sure you only play people from your rank? That already happens. If you are playing someone with a diamond rank that means they went down to your ELO level whether that just be tby them playing bad, or they only got to diamond because they got really lucky. That still wouldnt really fix anything and there unfortunatly isnt any way to fix it. Just results in gold having a steeper learning curve

Btw for the casual one I get what you mean, I play mostly experamental, but ranked is for the competitive crowd. if you dont want the competitive play any other mode.

[McShootUrFace]

Originally posted by Freeze:

Originally posted by McShootUrFace:

Would an optional rank filter in online matchmaking be possible? Sure, it's a very general way to categorize players, but you could make put it into beta first to see what responses it gets from the community.

While there is no sure-solution, giving players an alternative is better than giving them no choice at all. :)

Besides, not everyone who plays Brawlhalla is playing for skill anyhow. This would be a good feature to have even for the casual fighter audience as well.

Like making sure you only play people from your rank? That already happens. If you are playing someone with a diamond rank that means they went down to your ELO level whether that just be tby them playing bad, or they only got to diamond because they got really lucky. That still wouldnt really fix anything and there unfortunatly isnt any way to fix it. Just results in gold having a steeper learning curve

Btw for the casual one I get what you mean, I play mostly experamental, but ranked is for the competitive crowd. if you dont want the competitive play any other mode.

Yes, it already happens, but the issue isn't making it so we can play with the same rank as ourselves. The issue is fighting diamond ranks when we're gold. You're straying off the topic of this discussion.

I'm suggesting an optional matchmaking feature that ONLY allows you to match with players the same RANK as you or I. ELO is already a thing, yes. That is clear and transparent. That is why I'm not suggesting an ELO.

I'm suggesting an alternative solution. You're also repeating my statement as there is no sure solution, but giving players options is better.

As for non-ranked free-for-all, that's not ranked so casual players play that more if not all the time they play.

You're downplaying with "if you want to play ranked, you don't need it"

The issue is pitting newbs and average players with DIAMOND and above rank players. This is not okay ESPECIALLY in a casual free-for-all where those high-ranked players outright destroy casual gamers.

A great idea to resolve casual players being unfairly pitted against hardcore players is one of two options:
The hard way: Lock all players above a certain rank out of casual lobbies
or
The easy way: make a matchmaking option to match with players their rank

Not based on ELA. Not luck or lack of it. Not many variables.By there designated RANK. As in Bronze, silver, gold, etc.

[katefreeze]

Originally posted by McShootUrFace:

Originally posted by Freeze:

Like making sure you only play people from your rank? That already happens. If you are playing someone with a diamond rank that means they went down to your ELO level whether that just be tby them playing bad, or they only got to diamond because they got really lucky. That still wouldnt really fix anything and there unfortunatly isnt any way to fix it. Just results in gold having a steeper learning curve

Btw for the casual one I get what you mean, I play mostly experamental, but ranked is for the competitive crowd. if you dont want the competitive play any other mode.

Yes, it already happens, but the issue isn't making it so we can play with the same rank as ourselves. The issue is fighting diamond ranks when we're gold. You're straying off the topic of this discussion.

I'm suggesting an optional matchmaking feature that ONLY allows you to match with players the same RANK as you or I. ELO is already a thing, yes. That is clear and transparent. That is why I'm not suggesting an ELO.

I'm suggesting an alternative solution. You're also repeating my statement as there is no sure solution, but giving players options is better.

As for non-ranked free-for-all, that's not ranked so casual players play that more if not all the time they play.

You're downplaying with "if you want to play ranked, you don't need it"

The issue is pitting newbs and average players with DIAMOND and above rank players. This is not okay ESPECIALLY in a casual free-for-all where those high-ranked players outright destroy casual gamers.

A great idea to resolve casual players being unfairly pitted against hardcore players is one of two options:
The hard way: Lock all players above a certain rank out of casual lobbies
or
The easy way: make a matchmaking option to match with players their rank

Not based on ELA. Not luck or lack of it. Not many variables.By there designated RANK. As in Bronze, silver, gold, etc.

(ima divide this into more notable sections for the two questions, because i almost confused the two lmao)

1. Online Ranked ELO stuff

One pretty importaint thing that you are forgetting. Just because someone has a diamond/ whatever frame that just means they got to diamond (in EITHER 1v1s or 2v2s) the prev season, and if they have an icon that means they got to that rank in ANY season. It isn't their currant rank which is what they are looking at. That means someone who hit diamond in season 8 would have a diamond avatar, even if their current skill level is still in gold. OR they got boosted in 2v2s, and their 1v1 rank is different.

You tell the persons rank by their current ELO, and you only do play with the people of the same rank as you at the time. Just because you see a diamond frame/avatar dosen't mean they are nessisarily diamond level. It is purely to show you how far you are from the next one, or how far you are from falling behind Check this if you are curious

https://brawlhalla.gamepedia.com/Ranked

Im repeating what your saying because honestly i think you are a bit confused on how it works. Sure, some stuff falls through the cracks but that is honestly an unreasonable expectation to expect it to be perfect all the time. You also get people coming on from other platforms and trying to get higher and that also affects it. (which is a sheet ton of people mind you)

Pulling from the end, again to try and clarify this as clear as I can.

Not based on ELA. Not luck or lack of it. Not many variables.By there designated RANK. As in Bronze, silver, gold, etc.

ELO is literally just rank and measuring how far you are from the next one. They are the same thing.

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2. Dont get what your trying to say, but from the sounds of it you want experamental to also be "ranked" in a way, so you want it ranked, but without (visable) ELO (again, ELO is synonymous with ranked.). I kinda get where you are coming from with that, but at that point you are just playing ranked without the rewards. You face way better and way worse opponents. They arnt all hard or all easy. Some of them are but not a large majority of them, (the large large majority of my time has been in experamental), but the way they do it now is fine.


although I am curious because I do suspect there is some form of sorting in the experamental field, but we will never know.

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It is kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when you're one win from Plat and you get matched with a diamond smurf with 500 ELO less than you have.

[katefreeze]

Originally posted by 😈:

It is kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when you're one win from Plat and you get matched with a diamond smurf with 500 ELO less than you have.

yeah it sucks, but as mentoned before unavoidable with really anything. esp with a free game. Also not nessisarily a smurf keep in mind, could just be from another platform

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One thing that could be done is to make wins and losses count the same regardless of ELO matchups, so that like a victory is +5 and a defeat is -5 no matter what. That way if someone is smurfing, they have to lose at least as much as they win to maintain their smurf status, and an unfair matchup won't be so devastating to the player that's disadvantaged.

Also maybe people who have already been Diamond can be prioritized for Diamond and Plat and only get gold if the queues are too long. People who have only ever been Gold Ranked shouldn't be matched so much against people with Diamonds on their frames.

[katefreeze]

Originally posted by 😈:

One thing that could be done is to make wins and losses count the same regardless of ELO matchups, so that like a victory is +5 and a defeat is -5 no matter what. That way if someone is smurfing, they have to lose at least as much as they win to maintain their smurf status, and an unfair matchup won't be so devastating to the player that's disadvantaged.

Also maybe people who have already been Diamond can be prioritized for Diamond and Plat and only get gold if the queues are too long. People who have only ever been Gold Ranked shouldn't be matched so much against people with Diamonds on their frames.

So this part in particular

People who have only ever been Gold Ranked shouldn't be matched so much against people with Diamonds on their frames.

Wrong. You are forgetting people also get them from 2v2s, and skill from 2v2 dosent translate to 1v1s.

And people already have to lose matches to stay as smurfs, and unless you change what the numbers are to get to whatever rank then that just makes it hard to get to the other rank, and if you change those literally everything stays the same. It also dosent fix the issue of people going up from a different device, or just making a new account.

The game is free. It's always going to be an issue at some level, and its quite managable the way it is. It's an issue even in games that arn't free. Just deal with the couple wack matches and move on. you can also match with people who are worse than you as well.

[McShootUrFace]

Originally posted by Freeze:

Originally posted by 😈:

One thing that could be done is to make wins and losses count the same regardless of ELO matchups, so that like a victory is +5 and a defeat is -5 no matter what. That way if someone is smurfing, they have to lose at least as much as they win to maintain their smurf status, and an unfair matchup won't be so devastating to the player that's disadvantaged.

Also maybe people who have already been Diamond can be prioritized for Diamond and Plat and only get gold if the queues are too long. People who have only ever been Gold Ranked shouldn't be matched so much against people with Diamonds on their frames.

So this part in particular

People who have only ever been Gold Ranked shouldn't be matched so much against people with Diamonds on their frames.

Wrong. You are forgetting people also get them from 2v2s, and skill from 2v2 dosent translate to 1v1s.

And people already have to lose matches to stay as smurfs, and unless you change what the numbers are to get to whatever rank then that just makes it hard to get to the other rank, and if you change those literally everything stays the same. It also dosent fix the issue of people going up from a different device, or just making a new account.

The game is free. It's always going to be an issue at some level, and its quite managable the way it is. It's an issue even in games that arn't free. Just deal with the couple wack matches and move on. you can also match with people who are worse than you as well.

It's not "a few wack matches." After 2-4 won ranked matches against gold and below, you get pitted against diamonds and platinums but nothing else. After 2-4 wins, it's rare for me to even get pitted against someone my own rank on a ranked match.

[katefreeze]

Originally posted by McShootUrFace:

Originally posted by Freeze:

So this part in particular



Wrong. You are forgetting people also get them from 2v2s, and skill from 2v2 dosent translate to 1v1s.

And people already have to lose matches to stay as smurfs, and unless you change what the numbers are to get to whatever rank then that just makes it hard to get to the other rank, and if you change those literally everything stays the same. It also dosent fix the issue of people going up from a different device, or just making a new account.

The game is free. It's always going to be an issue at some level, and its quite managable the way it is. It's an issue even in games that arn't free. Just deal with the couple wack matches and move on. you can also match with people who are worse than you as well.

It's not "a few wack matches." After 2-4 won ranked matches against gold and below, you get pitted against diamonds and platinums but nothing else. After 2-4 wins, it's rare for me to even get pitted against someone my own rank on a ranked match.

That is very much not the case, and there has to be an external issue going on. Plus read above, just because someone has a diamond frame/avatar dosent mean they are diamond