Orion is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke.

[DankSlayer]

They tried too hard to make a "balanced" character. He has no weak points, but no good point either. He's simply boring and playing as him is not fun. Bodwar is much better thanks to his hammer pull, but Orion is really freaking weak.


Don't give me the crap with "counters" and ♥♥♥♥. This is not a freaking MOBA. You can't just send Braum to go mid when it gets owned by ADC's or use Darius to get rid of the whole team. If I am in a disadvantage at the begining of the ranked match, then that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If this form of "balance" is here to stay, then you should just turn it into a clone of Awesomenauts, because so far it would work better as MOBA than a game that's supposed to be "skill based".


Shots fired.

[Fried]

You are wrong.

[Grub]

You got some right but not at all.
As top 150 2v2 as orion i can say he is good for it.
But in 1v1 i got more chances to play as Tatch for first time and win than with my Orion.

[DankSlayer]

Originally posted by Fried Chickenballs:

You are wrong.

And why is that.


Because so far YOU'RE wrong and I won't tell you why untill i hear your reasons.

[DankSlayer]

Originally posted by Wolfkner:

You got some right but not at all.
As top 150 2v2 as orion i can say he is good for it.
But in 1v1 i got more chances to play as Tatch for first time and win than with my Orion.

You have a point, but if you're good with a certain character, that doesn't have to mean that he's good. You can kill a boss in Dark souls with bare hands butt naked if you're so good, but that doesn't make it a good strategy.

[Caerith]

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

Originally posted by Wolfkner:

You got some right but not at all.
As top 150 2v2 as orion i can say he is good for it.
But in 1v1 i got more chances to play as Tatch for first time and win than with my Orion.

You have a point, but if you're good with a certain character, that doesn't have to mean that he's good. You can kill a boss in Dark souls with bare hands butt naked if you're so good, but that doesn't make it a good strategy.

Likewise, if you're bad with a certain character, that doesn't mean that he's bad. For all that you complain about how bad this game is, maybe it doesn't mean that it's a bad game but that you're a bad player.

[DankSlayer]

I don't think it's a BAD game, i just don't think it's so "balanced". I mean, for crying out loud. I hate it when people are okay with certian characters being stronger than others. In a fighting game. Where most people play 1v1.


I repeat, this is not a MOBA. You can't change the lane or get help from teammates. If there are characters who counter others, then this is not fair at all.

[Caerith]

Nobody is saying this is a MOBA except the strawman you keep propping up to make your MOBA arguments.

[jkdtom]

I probably won't be adding much to this conversation other than counters are in almost any PvP based game. Do you watch fighting games or know anything about them? Counters and counter picking is in a ton of games such as USF4, Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat, KI, etc. Just because X counters Y does not mean you can't play X. It just means you have to be better than Y. <-- How these kinds of games work. Alywas has always will be.

[Jhoono]

Originally posted by えきじょうの集:

I probably won't be adding much to this conversation other than counters are in almost any PvP based game. Do you watch fighting games or know anything about them? Counters and counter picking is in a ton of games such as USF4, Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat, KI, etc. Just because X counters Y does not mean you can't play X. It just means you have to be better than Y. <-- How these kinds of games work. Alywas has always will be.

This person gets it.
I feel Orion is really strong. But definitely beatable.

[Pockish]

Your name is a joke

[Lord Rumpkin]

Orion is mundane and will reflect the overall tactical ability of the player. In my opinion.

[Maltager]

orion is a great pick. no idea why you'd salt over a balanced character?

[Cerocivr]

Orion is in very much the same position as TF2's Soldier. Not really BAD at anything, but not GREAT at anything either. So there is constant argument whether he is OP or UP. Really, the answer to balance him is with another character. I like to look at things as everything has a direct counter to this and is in turn directly countered by that. Orion at the moment doesn't really have a direct counter, but he also isn't a direct counter to really anyone.

I feel that it could be fixed by taking a speed point from Nai, putting it on something else, and take some random point from Teros and stick it on his speed. Then Orion would counter Nai, and Teros would counter Orion in turn, while leaving the rest of matchups mostly intact.

The problem lies at Orion being in that special place of being TOO balanced. Where as everyone else has Strengths and Weaknesses, Orion doesn't necessarily have either of those. It's incredibly hard to strike a balance with a character who is average in stats, believe it or not. Orion's situation is incredibly grey and hard to describe what exactly is going on with him.

[Fried]

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

Originally posted by Fried Chickenballs:

You are wrong.

And why is that.


Because so far YOU'RE wrong and I won't tell you why untill i hear your reasons.

You said that you don't want any "counters and ♥♥♥♥" so I don't need to give you any. Thanks for saving me some time.

[Hadoking]

Orion's lance is spam fuel. "forward heavies, forward heavies everywhere"