Why Brawlhalla isn't considered a real fighting game.

[k3rr3k]

I saw this game a while ago and thought it looked ok. Recently I've decided to try it out and wondered why unlike Rivals of Aether that this game isn't considered deep enough to be a fighting game. After about 15 games online I've immediately discovered the answer. This game is the equivalent to Smash with items turned on. Random item spawns immediately throws skill out the window. If that wasn't bad enough, the primary focus in ranked is to run away and throw items at each other until someone is low enough to kill with a strong attack. When someone actually does decide to stop constantly running to fight you realize there is no variety to the combos.

If I wanted to play casual Smash Bros I would just hop on my WiiU. There are some other problems like bad hitbox interaction, ridiculously easy recovery, and getting killed even though you are still on screen but I guess this is early access? I won't hold out much hope that this game will change much. Out of all the fighting games I played like Guilty Gear, SF4/5, etc. this is the only one that is actually frustrating to play rather than fun.

I know that I'm going to get flamed by the fanboys but these are criticisms coming from a Fighting Game fan.

[Yehart]

man this games fanbase sucks.

even if your present the issues at hand in a logical manner they still jump on your ass.

[Petralicious]

Originalmente postado por KesoChodar:

Competitive logic: If it doesn´t have a ridiculous skill wall, it´s ♥♥♥♥

[Buceg?]

Originalmente postado por PH_007:

Originalmente postado por KesoChodar:

Competitive logic: If it doesn´t have a ridiculous skill wall, it´s ♥♥♥♥

[Incariuz]

Originalmente postado por YEEART:

man this games fanbase sucks.

even if your present the issues at hand in a logical manner they still jump on your ass.

Some perhaps, not all.

That being said, this game can be just as competative if you're playing the right people. However, it's just as good for casual play, which is a nice added benefit. As much as I love SF, KI, Tekken, etc etc etc... Some of those games can be very dependent on the controller used. Can't speak for everyone else, but I know playing SF4 with an xbox 360 controller is no fun at all. The D-Pad is complete garbage, making you play with the analog which makes dashing and utilizing focus cancels and armor a pain. The way in which this game functions however, it's playable on a variety of controller types and keyboard without suffering serious disadvantages based on what you have/choose.

Now onto the points made in the OP. I barely see people focused on running and throwing items, if I do, I'll just stand still and dodge until they come at me, or throw stuff back while dodging. Even if people did it though, how different is it from Ryu shooting fireballs non stop? As for no variety in combos, to an extent this is true, some legends have very little options, however a lot of the effect behind the combos is the approach you take. There is more emphasis on creative maneuvering then creative combos (though some creative strings can be pulled off). On the topic of hitboxes and recovery, sure some tweaks can probably make things better, but it's not like the game needs a complete overhaul. Lastly, dying while still on screen? I'm guessing you're talking about lag. Part of that may be on the server, part on you. Me personally, if I really did the math, Odds are I lag maybe 5% of the time I play, if even. All in all, I still consider this a real fighting game.

Opinions from a competative fighting game fan who has been playing since the Street Fighter 2 arcade machines showed up in local stores and arcades back in 1991. Have played non competative fighting games (beat em ups) for even longer.

[SawbladeSnake]

Originalmente postado por YEEART:

man this games fanbase sucks.

even if your present the issues at hand in a logical manner they still jump on your ass.

Thats pretty much how it is for all fighting game communities. you will always have people that can't see the negitives in a game. If they are good at the game they will usually be more inclined to dissagree with people who have thier reasons for not liking it. I like the game and all but it does feel pretty shallow and half the people who play it only make it feel even more so when they just run away and throw things. In FFA if one guy is trying to be an ass and just run away the whole match, i just prey on the weaker players or steal kills from underneath someones nose. In return if i want i can just run away and stall the timer out as well. theres not much incentive to fight head on XD

[ninjaguyDan]

Originalmente postado por YEEART:

man this games fanbase sucks.

even if your present the issues at hand in a logical manner they still jump on your ass.

Logical manner?
He came in with "no items" bias from Smash, moved on to judge the entirety of the game based on LOW RANKED play... That's not presenting issues, it's just whining about low level players and ill-conceived notions of what skill is.

Furthermore, he asked for exactly the treatment he got when he said:

I know that I'm going to get flamed by the fanboys but these are criticisms coming from a Fighting Game fan.

Which is just presenting a holier than thou attitude. The OP deserves no respect for this post.
Even if he had presented logical arguments, this last statement was unnecessary and irrelevant. Should we also think that every sports fan is an expert on every sport? It's utterly absurd that this is supposed to somehow legitimize his very meager argument.

[Buceg?]

Originalmente postado por Tycho Brohe:

Originalmente postado por YEEART:

man this games fanbase sucks.

even if your present the issues at hand in a logical manner they still jump on your ass.

Logical manner?
He came in with "no items" bias from Smash, moved on to judge the entirety of the game based on LOW RANKED play... That's not presenting issues, it's just whining about low level players and ill-conceived notions of what skill is.

Furthermore, he asked for exactly the treatment he got when he said:

I know that I'm going to get flamed by the fanboys but these are criticisms coming from a Fighting Game fan.

Which is just presenting a holier than thou attitude. The OP deserves no respect for this post.
Even if he had presented logical arguments, this last statement was unnecessary and irrelevant. Should we also think that every sports fan is an expert on every sport? It's utterly absurd that this is supposed to somehow legitimize his very meager argument.

I believe that this is just low quality b8.
Everyone stop posting, this is obviously just a salty player trying to recieve a reaction.

[Yehart]

I say logical manner, because compared to those other threads, this guy seems like a saint. The lack of caps, and hearts pretty much says it all judging from a quick glance. Then the context is debatable as I've never played Smash Bros.

[WolfHero]

Originalmente postado por <NewBie>Trîcki™ ♠:

Originalmente postado por Hornz:

Wait...punishing someone for missing is good...isn't it?

Not if your the guy who missed

I can confirm, I am the guy who misses.

[DankSlayer]

Originalmente postado por YEEART:

man this games fanbase sucks.

even if your present the issues at hand in a logical manner they still jump on your ass.

You asked the fanboys for a fight, and you're suprised that you got negative feedback.


lol.

[Nonstop]

I like this game, but Brawlhalla is no where near to a real fighting game. For me it's hard to take Rivals of Aether and Super Smash Bros Melee as a fighting game. So other smash games and this I don't consider fighting game, it's fun to play them, but playing them competitive runs the quite fast fun fast

[Landank]

Originalmente postado por Nonstop Xrd:

I like this game, but Brawlhalla is no where near to a real fighting game. For me it's hard to take Rivals of Aether and Super Smash Bros Melee as a fighting game. So other smash games and this I don't consider fighting game, it's fun to play them, but playing them competitive runs the quite fast fun fast

[Buceg?]

Originalmente postado por Nonstop Xrd:

quite fast fun fast

English please?

[Yehart]

Originalmente postado por Salty Bastard:

Originalmente postado por YEEART:

man this games fanbase sucks.

even if your present the issues at hand in a logical manner they still jump on your ass.

You asked the fanboys for a fight, and you're suprised that you got negative feedback.


lol.

Since when was I OP?

[Tyveris]

Ok, thanks for the feedback. If you'd like to post a list of suggestions in a way that will generate real discussion, I suggest you to that, otherwise we end up with a thread like this.