Why are the devs ignoring us? the ranking system is bad.

[Sparrow]

There have been countless threads about this, and the devs never responded. so I'm opening this one, organized, and well mannered thread about this problem.
The ranking system is bad. The matchmaking is not fair (1900+ players get matched with 1000+ players becaues they have simillar MMR, which means they are both have the save level of skill. But the high ranked player will lose 20+ points, and the low ranked player will lose nothing. this is NOT okay as it literally STOPS the abillity of climbing the ranking ladder).

The MMR system doesn't feel fair, you can be matched with certain opponets and lose 2-4 points of MMR, and then win three times in a row, and not achieve a single one of those points back. This is WAY to punishing, losing to players in a much lower league than you should be so punishing as it can happen because of lags (which happen WAY TOO MUCH in this game, still not fixed) or even smurfs or just bad luck. This happens a lot and just BLOCKS the abillity of people to climb the ladder, and is insanely annoying).

The idea of each legend having his own rank is bad, it supposed to help you keep your main in his rank but it eventaully gets desroyed by the poorly designed MMR system. If you play a new legend and lose a few times, your rank with your main might have been saved, but you now have a low MMR, and you will lose a bunch of points and win almost nothing.

All in all it is a poorly design system, it leads to rage, toxic behaviour and frustrating scenarios. This system is WORST than the former one, and should be fixed ASAP (along with the servers).

I hope one of the devs will respond to this thread and let us know if they are even paying attention to this urgent issue. This has gone long enough.

[Isokon]

İlk olarak Sparrow tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Isokon tarafından gönderildi:

You are not entitled to a rank.

I agree, I should fight in a fair way and if I lose I shall be dropped, if I win I should be rise.
So match me with opponets my level, not opponets lower than my level, when even when I win 3 games and lose one, I still am LOSING points.

the matchmaking can't create ideal matches from thin air. If it can't find opponents at your level, maybe try playing during a different time of day?

[Sparrow]

İlk olarak Isokon tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Sparrow tarafından gönderildi:

I agree, I should fight in a fair way and if I lose I shall be dropped, if I win I should be rise.
So match me with opponets my level, not opponets lower than my level, when even when I win 3 games and lose one, I still am LOSING points.

the matchmaking can't create ideal matches from thin air. If it can't find opponents at your level, maybe try playing during a different time of day?

I play all day long, it happens all day long.
And I don't mind the system wiggling a bit, but being matched with people that can win me for 25 points and lose me for 5 is not okay.

[Isokon]

İlk olarak Sparrow tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Isokon tarafından gönderildi:

the matchmaking can't create ideal matches from thin air. If it can't find opponents at your level, maybe try playing during a different time of day?

I play all day long, it happens all day long.
And I don't mind the system wiggling a bit, but being matched with people that can win me for 25 points and lose me for 5 is not okay.

I don't know what to tell you at this point. I get matched pretty much according to my current rank, my rating win/loss is always somewhere around 10-15 points.

İlk olarak Incariuz tarafından gönderildi:

Ah ok, I see... But in that case, should the matchmaking not be based on MMR then? Basing it on individual legend elo doesn't seem like the best way to go imo, just gonna lead to a bunch of people getting destroyed by much higher tiers everytime they use a new legend. Also, it's a bit unusual to have leaderboard ranks based on top legend if it's going to show win/loss from all legends. But yah, all I'd say is I think it needs some reworking. Doesn't bother me a whole lot since I really don't care for ranked anymore, but it does present some imbalance.

The matchmaking IS based on MMR. The leaderboard ranking is not a matchmaking ranking. They intend to provide legend specific leaderboards, the current one is more or less a placeholder until then.

[BlackWaterGaming]

The current system ♥♥♥♥♥ over elo

[Isokon]

İlk olarak BlackWaterGaming tarafından gönderildi:

The current system ♥♥♥♥♥ over elo

The current system is basically an elo system.

[The Pricemistress]

another nice thing would be too block 2 legends from being in the same match as in hattori hattori teams *i fought one but by fighting i just flat out left* or double thatch or other annoying people.

[Douka]

The devs are occupied making skins for hattori

[Gluggy]

Nuff said, get on your game devs (also post this to Reddit)

[Sparrow]

İlk olarak NJVS | The Ham Man tarafından gönderildi:

Nuff said, get on your game devs (also post this to Reddit)

I have.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Brawlhalla/comments/4gf4as/the_ranking_system_is_flawed_no_rage_devs_please/

[Petralicious]

İlk olarak Sparrow tarafından gönderildi:

This is not bullsh*t.
Bullsh*t is when I had a win streak (about 8 wins or so) yestersay, and rised from 1900 to 1945.
Today I lost 8-10 games and won about 5.
I'm rank 1836.

I lost more than a 100 points, beacuse of 9 losses (Even tho I won 5 times).
Because I lost about 25 points and win 5.

This is bullsh8t.
and it happens most of the time.

This indicates you are not consistent enough to rise higher. You might have reached the extend of your current skill. [/quote]
I have lost the last of my ability to take you seriously.
In this system you have to win more than you lose in order to MAINTAIN your rank.
If I have a 50/50 win rate I should stay where I am (with minor point discrepancies due to being matched with higher/lower ranked opponents), not drop.

BMG you f*cked up and just need to roll back to the pre-season system and use the pre-season rankings (with a soft reset of course).

[Isokon]

İlk olarak PH_007 tarafından gönderildi:

I have lost the last of my ability to take you seriously.
In this system you have to win more than you lose in order to MAINTAIN your rank.
If I have a 50/50 win rate I should stay where I am (with minor point discrepancies due to being matched with higher/lower ranked opponents), not drop.

If you have a 50/50 win rate against lower ranked players you are worse than your current rank.

Also, welcome to the "I can't take you seriously anymore"-land, I have been here for ages.

[Petralicious]

^ If the system doees nothing but matching me against lower ranks then it's the system's fault, not mine.
I'm looking for similar skill players or even better ones not lower ranks.
And since MMR is f*cked up a "lower rank" might be better than their rank suggests and drag me down and screw up the system even further instead of evening out.
The matchmaking is getting worse, not better.

[Sparrow]

İlk olarak Isokon tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak PH_007 tarafından gönderildi:

I have lost the last of my ability to take you seriously.
In this system you have to win more than you lose in order to MAINTAIN your rank.
If I have a 50/50 win rate I should stay where I am (with minor point discrepancies due to being matched with higher/lower ranked opponents), not drop.

If you have a 50/50 win rate against lower ranked players you are worse than your current rank.

Also, welcome to the "I can't take you seriously anymore"-land, I have been here for ages.

When I'm being matched against players where I earn and lose same amount of points, I rise (and I have times where it suddenly matches me with players my level). When I'm being matched with lower level players I fall.
Why? because you CAN"T WIN ALWAYS, there will always be a lag, or a bad game, or a counter, or someone who has JUST THE RIGHT PLAYSTYLE to counter yours. And when I play against LOWER LEVEL players, and my win ratio is about 3\1 (I win 3 games and lose 1) I DROP MY RANK. and when I'm being matched win my level players and my win ratio is about 3/2 (win 3, lose two) I RISE.
that's because the system is TOO PUNISHING, losing 25 and winning 5 IS NOT OKAY. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO F*CKING UNDERSTAND.
Do you understand the BS now?

[Isokon]

İlk olarak PH_007 tarafından gönderildi:

^ If the system doees nothing but matching me against lower ranks then it's the system's fault, not mine.
I'm looking for similar skill players or even better ones not lower ranks.
And since MMR is f*cked up a "lower rank" might be better than their rank suggests and drag me down and screw up the system even further instead of evening out.
The matchmaking is getting worse, not better.

The system can only match you against opponents of your level if they are actually around and looking for a match. Since there are not that many players yet at the high end of the ranking, the OP will most often encounter players below his rank. The system can't create worthy opponents out of thin air.
If the guy below you is actually better than his rank suggests, good enough to beat you, then why should the system not put him above you? That's the system correcting his and your rank to reflect your actual strength compared to each other.

İlk olarak Sparrow tarafından gönderildi:

that's because the system is TOO PUNISHING, losing 25 and winning 5 IS NOT OKAY. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO F*CKING UNDERSTAND.
Do you understand the BS now?

You are complaining that math is unfair.
How should this be handled? What would be a "fair" gain/loss ratio for winning or losing against someone 100+ points below you?

btw. what is you current MMR?

[Sparrow]

İlk olarak Isokon tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak PH_007 tarafından gönderildi:

^ If the system doees nothing but matching me against lower ranks then it's the system's fault, not mine.
I'm looking for similar skill players or even better ones not lower ranks.
And since MMR is f*cked up a "lower rank" might be better than their rank suggests and drag me down and screw up the system even further instead of evening out.
The matchmaking is getting worse, not better.

The system can only match you against opponents of your level if they are actually around and looking for a match. Since there are not that many players yet at the high end of the ranking, the OP will most often encounter players below his rank. The system can't create worthy opponents out of thin air.
If the guy below you is actually better than his rank suggests, good enough to beat you, then why should the system not put him above you? That's the system correcting his and your rank to reflect your actual strength compared to each other.

İlk olarak Sparrow tarafından gönderildi:

that's because the system is TOO PUNISHING, losing 25 and winning 5 IS NOT OKAY. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO F*CKING UNDERSTAND.
Do you understand the BS now?

You are complaining that math is unfair.
How should this be handled? What would be a "fair" gain/loss ratio for winning or losing against someone 100+ points below you?

btw. what is you current MMR?

My current MMR is 162, that's after the tilt I was on last night.

I'll tell you how I think this should be handled. They should NOT MATCH ME WITH PEOPLE WITH 100+ POINTS BELOW ME. they should not match me with people with MUCH LOWER MMR. they should not create a situation where I can drop from 1945 to 1820 with an almost even number of lose ot win (13-14 wins and 13-14 losses).