Why spear is op

[Sparrow]

spear is op for one simple reason:
human nature.

"what? what do you mean human nature you stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ piece of ♥♥♥♥!"
well random toxic person, I'll explain.

Spear playstyle which revolves around strong and relativleay fast long to medium rang attacks makes her ANNOYING to deal with. It's irritating to get hit by her combo because it is LONG (Even if it deals average damage) and it's annoying to be hit by spear throws cause they're HARD TO DODGE.
Spear is ANNOYING. It MAY BE not mechanicly and stats op, but it is op in the way that those mechanics come into nature with it's annoying playstyle.

When you play against spear you get annoyed, this causes you to tilt, and make more agressive plays. Spear players LOVE IT when you make agressive plays cause spear can outrange and poke you till you just TILT MORE.

And that's a problem. Maybe some peopel can control their temper, but most peopel will get annoyed cause of this, and will lose game to spear since they played while tilted. and they played tilted cause SPEAR PLAYSTLYE is BAD. It's design IS BAD (yea, i'm speaking to you, random developer in BMG).

Courses of action:
1) rework spear, make it not tiltling.
2) nerf damage. This should even out the tilting "bonus" spear players get due to it's annoying playstyle.

[J1K]

they nerf spears every patch for no reason if anything they need a buff

[Sparrow]

引用自 J1K：

they nerf spears every patch for no reason if anything they need a buff

"no reason"

[Zen Seiken]

引用自 J1K：

they nerf spears every patch for no reason if anything they need a buff

Dude... they don't need a buff at all.

[Betonic]

Spears were nerfed recently. They're in a nice spot right now.

This argument is on a completely ridiculous basis. It is based on the weapon annoying you....which makes it OP...? Then if it doesn't annoy another person then it's balanced/weak... Right?

[Sparrow]

引用自 Betonic：

Spears were nerfed recently. They're in a nice spot right now.

This argument is on a completely ridiculous basis. It is based on the weapon annoying you....which makes it OP...? Then if it doesn't annoy another person then it's balanced/weak... Right?

Yes you can read congratz

[Betonic]

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

引用自 Betonic：

Spears were nerfed recently. They're in a nice spot right now.

This argument is on a completely ridiculous basis. It is based on the weapon annoying you....which makes it OP...? Then if it doesn't annoy another person then it's balanced/weak... Right?

Yes you can read congratz

Yeah that's logically unsound. Your experience does not dictate balance, nor is it everyone else's experience.

[Antipop]

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

引用自 Betonic：

Spears were nerfed recently. They're in a nice spot right now.

This argument is on a completely ridiculous basis. It is based on the weapon annoying you....which makes it OP...? Then if it doesn't annoy another person then it's balanced/weak... Right?

Yes you can read congratz

No need be condescending. If you're being tilted, that's your fault. A majority of this game is out playing your opponent, physically AND mentally. If you get tilted at something that's your fault and that's a flaw you need to work on to fix.

[Sparrow]

引用自 VexX | Anniepop 🔞：

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

Yes you can read congratz

No need be condescending. If you're being tilted, that's your fault. A majority of this game is out playing your opponent, physically AND mentally. If you get tilted at something that's your fault and that's a flaw you need to work on to fix.

"physically AND mentally" - that means you can nerf legends based on their physical abilities (your physical abilities are held back by the legend's) and their mental affect. That's why you don't release a legend that can poke from half a map without throwing a weapon (example).

And he was condescending first, so don't even dare to tell me not to be you ♥♥♥♥.

引用自 Betonic：

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

Yes you can read congratz

Yeah that's logically unsound. Your experience does not dictate balance, nor is it everyone else's experience.

"or is it everyone else's experience" so if 100% of the community thinks a weapon is op, it shouldn't be nerfed?
♥♥♥♥ sake

[Zen Seiken]

Tbh I do think they should be nerfed too. The recovery and the ground pound can be spammed way too much and unless you dodge perfectly it still hits for a lot of damage. They should make it so you can't instantly change from one to the other so fast at least, because I've seen people just using one or the other and then use the other one right away like nothing.

[BlackWaterGaming]

ground game their perfect, but in my honest opinion their air game is still a little to strong. just throw a little more startup or end lag on that helicopter atttack and i think the spear will be in a good place. since or atleast i think, the spear has one of the best air movesets.

[Antipop]

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

引用自 VexX | Anniepop 🔞：

No need be condescending. If you're being tilted, that's your fault. A majority of this game is out playing your opponent, physically AND mentally. If you get tilted at something that's your fault and that's a flaw you need to work on to fix.

"physically AND mentally" - that means you can nerf legends based on their physical abilities (your physical abilities are held back by the legend's) and their mental affect. That's why you don't release a legend that can poke from half a map without throwing a weapon (example).

And he was condescending first, so don't even dare to tell me not to be you ♥♥♥♥.

引用自 Betonic：

Yeah that's logically unsound. Your experience does not dictate balance, nor is it everyone else's experience.

"or is it everyone else's experience" so if 100% of the community thinks a weapon is op, it shouldn't be nerfed?
♥♥♥♥ sake

No, spears are fine. Learn to approach, learn to keep your cool. You calling me a "♥♥♥♥" is just proving my point further. But I guess I was supposed to assume the leader of a clan based on toxicity was supposed to maintain his cool during a game, I guess.

And 100% of the community does not think spear needs a nerf. In fact, a lot of people feel that, since the recent dlight nerf, it's in a very good spot.

[Sparrow]

引用自 VexX | Anniepop 🔞：

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

"physically AND mentally" - that means you can nerf legends based on their physical abilities (your physical abilities are held back by the legend's) and their mental affect. That's why you don't release a legend that can poke from half a map without throwing a weapon (example).

And he was condescending first, so don't even dare to tell me not to be you ♥♥♥♥.

"or is it everyone else's experience" so if 100% of the community thinks a weapon is op, it shouldn't be nerfed?
♥♥♥♥ sake

No, spears are fine. Learn to approach, learn to keep your cool. You calling me a "♥♥♥♥" is just proving my point further. But I guess I was supposed to assume the leader of a clan based on toxicity was supposed to maintain his cool during a game, I guess.

And 100% of the community does not think spear needs a nerf. In fact, a lot of people feel that, since the recent dlight nerf, it's in a very good spot.

You just people agree with me on this very thread. I called you a ♥♥♥♥ because you were trying to tell me to behave with dignity to a person who showed me none, you think that isn't a "♥♥♥♥" move?

Also, you have to be either an idiot or someone who played ranked 1v1 for less than an hour to say stupid stuff like: "people can keep they're cool". The majority of this community can't do that, and because spear is "boosting" that rage attitude, it is, eventually, a bonus spear has (since tilting will make you play badly).

[Antipop]

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

引用自 VexX | Anniepop 🔞：

No, spears are fine. Learn to approach, learn to keep your cool. You calling me a "♥♥♥♥" is just proving my point further. But I guess I was supposed to assume the leader of a clan based on toxicity was supposed to maintain his cool during a game, I guess.

And 100% of the community does not think spear needs a nerf. In fact, a lot of people feel that, since the recent dlight nerf, it's in a very good spot.

You just people agree with me on this very thread. I called you a ♥♥♥♥ because you were trying to tell me to behave with dignity to a person who showed me none, you think that isn't a "♥♥♥♥" move?

Also, you have to be either an idiot or someone who played ranked 1v1 for less than an hour to say stupid stuff like: "people can keep they're cool". The majority of this community can't do that, and because spear is "boosting" that rage attitude, it is, eventually, a bonus spear has (since tilting will make you play badly).

Balance is centered around high tier gameplay, not the majority of the community, and that's the way it should be. You can argue against that, but the reason being is because there's always room for improvement. If you nerf something that people have no issue with at a higher tier then that something becomes absolutely useless. As I said, learn to fight against it, learn to keep your cool.
Betonic was showing you dignity, he was giving you a valid argument against your claims, without being condescending.

[ninjaguyDan]

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

"what? what do you mean human nature you stupid ♥♥♥♥ing piece of ♥♥♥♥!"

10/10 understanding how other people see you.

"You stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ piece of ♥♥♥♥" is exactly what I think every time I read your posts.

[Sparrow]

引用自 VexX | Anniepop 🔞：

引用自 TXְC | Sparrow：

You just people agree with me on this very thread. I called you a ♥♥♥♥ because you were trying to tell me to behave with dignity to a person who showed me none, you think that isn't a "♥♥♥♥" move?

Also, you have to be either an idiot or someone who played ranked 1v1 for less than an hour to say stupid stuff like: "people can keep they're cool". The majority of this community can't do that, and because spear is "boosting" that rage attitude, it is, eventually, a bonus spear has (since tilting will make you play badly).

Balance is centered around high tier gameplay, not the majority of the community, and that's the way it should be. You can argue against that, but the reason being is because there's always room for improvement. If you nerf something that people have no issue with at a higher tier then that something becomes absolutely useless. As I said, learn to fight against it, learn to keep your cool.
Betonic was showing you dignity, he was giving you a valid argument against your claims, without being condescending.

His tone was condecending.
And you think for some reason that high tier players don't rage? you must be playing a completly different game than I do. Also, a good game is balanced throughout all levels, not only at certain tiers. Just like Bodvar is balanced at all tiers, spear should be too.

And there's no such thing as "learn to keep your cool", it's a uncontrolable response. Do you know (For instance) that using sexually attractive characters in fighting games (such as Dead Or Alive) can make a person horny during a match and decrease his reaction time SIGNIFICANTLY? Same is going on here. These are small unnoticeable changes in your mindset that happens when something frustrates you, and spear does exactly that.

I could also make the argument that spear is too strong based on it's mechanical preformence, but I'm not gonna as this argument is good enough.