Is combo spam a thing?

[Hydrogen O2]

My friend and I want to settle an arguement over whether combo spamming is a thing in Brawlhalla or not.

[Nobody | Killer]

To clarify, Hydregion believes that if he cannot dodge out of the way of a combo which someone uses a couple times, it's deemable "combo spam"
Spam is using heavy attacks over and over
Combos are a chain of attacks that is hard to get out of

[Hydrogen O2]

To object, Nobody | Killer believes that spam must meet certain criteria to be considered spam.
I never said anything that if it cannot be dodged it's spam.
Spam doesn't necessarily have to be only signature moves, it can be light attacks also as proven with a previous battle where the "spammers" had been using only light attacks, yet you've callen them spammers.
Spam is more of using the same move(s) over and over again and deem that skill.
If someone uses the same combo over and over again I firmly believe that is spam.

[Nobody | Killer]

All in all it's about relativity how you see it, but either way I think it is not.
When I called the people who used only light attacks in the game, I had less than 50 hours. I now have 150. Using past is not really a good example.
Spam requires no skill
Combos require skill
Combo spam = Skill
Skill counters no skill

[Jackie Meyers]

I have to agree with Hydregion. Although there is a point where you should be able to adapt to the repeated combos and punish there are some small strings/combos which can be used repeatably with decent damage/force to a downright criminal degree. The usual suspect for this being endless use of the sword's dlight sair and variants thereof.

[BlackWaterGaming]

Originally posted by Hydregion02:

To object, Nobody | Killer believes that spam must meet certain criteria to be considered spam.
I never said anything that if it cannot be dodged it's spam.
Spam doesn't necessarily have to be only signature moves, it can be light attacks also as proven with a previous battle where the "spammers" had been using only light attacks, yet you've callen them spammers.
Spam is more of using the same move(s) over and over again and deem that skill.
If someone uses the same combo over and over again I firmly believe that is spam.

^ falls more into the exact defination of spam.

imho spam is mindlessly using the same move whether it hits or not. like a scarlet on the edge of the map using her Ssig even tho no`s attempting to approach her.

[Nobody | Killer]

However, Operaror, if someone uses a heavy it can be punished by a string. If combos are spammed, that requires a lot of skill as it's hard to start a combo.

[Nobody | Killer]

Agreed blackwater. Completely.

[Hydrogen O2]

Nobody | Killer, you have argued that combo spam isn't a thing due to the skill required, however that cannot be the only reason for it to be considered not spam.
You have yourself previously stated that skilled players use a variety of moves instead of spamming.
I do agree that doing combos do require some amount of skill and can easily counter spam, however repettitive use of the same combo can easily be countered with skill, just like spam, as you have yourself said previously.

[Nobody | Killer]

However, I did state that it was multiple things and not JUST skill, if you look closely I say that combos can be hard, where as spamming is not. Combo spam is not a thing, as with bows the vast majority of them start with Slight or Dlight. This then goes into another little string, and that can vary a lot. People have lots of oppurtunity when they get that first hit on a combo down, and it's up to them where they take it.
Repetative combos being used is generally what comes naturally to players, because that's the direction they want to take it. If someone calls me out for combo spam in chat, generally I would laugh at them because the concept is a very strange idea. It comes down to personal opinion, however training is important especially in ranked. People using combos 'Over and over' may be trying to get better at it, or seeing what they can do with it. It's only one match, and combos are very unlikely to kill unless they have a heavy in there, in which please refer to my definition of spam.

TL;DR
Combo spam can only be considered that if it has a heavy in it.

[Hydrogen O2]

To argue, there is variety in doing combos, especially with bows, however if you look at my previous arguements I have stated the use of the same combos over and over again instead of combos in general (with the acception of one arguement)
Spamming tends to also generally come naturally to players, especially in times of panic.
You have yourself seem that repetitive combos, with or without heavies in them, have killed me multiple times.
The arguement saying that combos rarely kill, unless there is a heavy, whereas normal spam doesn't is invalid because spam, in this context, is the repetitive use of a move (or combo).
Spam is supposed to build up damage fast if you get hit multiple times, the same as combos.
Throughout the arguement you have attempted to compare and contrast conventional spam with combos and stating that the contrasts between the two are the reason combo spamming isn't spam. Your compare and contrast is similar to comparing SPAM and SPAM hot and spicy, although there are differences (sort of) they are both still spam.

[Shiva]

Alright, so i'll throw my 2cents in.

As far as im concerned, if you use the same chain of abilities (whether they be "combo's" or singular moves) more than 2 times in a row, thats spamming. If im able to find an extremely distinct pattern in your move build (*cough* lucian players *cough*) then your "skill" isnt based on your ability to react to my "skill." Its merely abusing a mechanic that a particular set of moves has, nothing more.

While i will admit that finding that particular combo might take skill, executing it over and over makes it less skill based, and more memory based, thus meaning it is a particular pattern you are using repeatedly, which is qualified as spam via definition.

I have to disagree with Hydre on one particular point though. Some combo's are -unbreakable- meaning that dodging them is impossible once they've been set up. The condition to these setups is what makes some combo's (sword f-air) completely sound and easily spammable. Anyone who played against Hitori during the early stages of this game will know what i mean. Low risk (low chance to be hit before combo) High reward (high damage, high knockout) combo's -do- exist, and because some of them are unbreakable, people spam them.

[Nobody | Killer]

To be honest it depends on how you react to said combos. If you dodge, he might try for it again and keep trying making you think they're spamming. All relative, as there is no exact way of saying if someone is a spammer or not, especially if they sometimes vary their moves

[gin toe kee]

Of course combo spamming is a thing. Do you have any idea how many time a sword main use their dlight combos?

[Nobody | Killer]

because that's pretty much the only sword combo XD

[Abcron]

You cannot "spam" a combo because to do a combo you have to land a hit in the first place.

It's only "spam" if the same attack is done over and over without any regard for timing and spacing.