Clan names and toxicity

[418]

I don't understand why BMG doesn't do anything about these users of alright skill pairing their capabilities with crappy, crappy clan names and user names. In the past hour, I've managed to encounter three clans with such unsuitable and immature names;

• assssssssssss
  
• GODHATESGAYS
  
• Hitler is my Waifu

And there are plenty more names out there which are outright offensive and have every intention of inflaming emotions, gaming psychology with poor sport and are generally inappropriate for a free-to-play title. What the hell is wrong with BMG to not put the kibosh on users who want to exercise not only clan names, but user names which are immature and hostile toward the community? What kind of environment is BMG trying to foster?

[snkzy]

Originally posted by Mail me to the Moon:

Originally posted by snek:

as i said, if 'offensive language' bothers you that much, dont play the game

This mentality is a terrible one to have. It's one thing to have thick skin, it's another to just accept it for what it is. Letting things like this slide is what allows this crap to fester in the first place.

No, the internet isn't a terrible place for terrible people, and if you act in this way you should be called out for it. It has to start from the community.

Originally posted by SYK_iM:

I admit I can be a bit scattered but some of it is relevant though coated with crap. I like to rant and rave sometimes. The whole banning idea is dumb though. Sometimes it feels like people advocate for bans just to get the attaboy for an ultimately futile effort for that specific method. Here's a little more ordered.


Method | Workaround
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Banning | make new account
2. Shadow Banning | makes new account when they realize they've been shadowbanned
3. 2 Factor Authentication | Purchase cheap sim cards to be burned and can use them in
| multiple games.
4. Hardware Ban | Someone else in the same home that is innocent could potentially
| face an unwarranted penalty for someone else's behavior.

Because it is far too expensive to consistantly moderate something like this, especially given what you see above. Volunteer moderation can help, but can only go so far.

If you got the decency, do what you can about it. It's not childish to call someone out.

Edit: But it is against the rules to witchhunt.

Thats the thing, it literally is thick skin. 'Letting it slide'. Letting what slide? You really think people saying 'killalljews' actually believe that? its just a stupid string of words designed to get a reaction out of people who cant control themselves. And its obviously working. Its not cancer, its not ruining the community. It literally causes 0 problems with everyone. It only affects you if you LET it affect you. So yeah, grow up, get some thicker skin, and stop trying to police everything like a power tripper.

[snkzy]

Originally posted by a christmas conr:

Originally posted by Mail me to the Moon:

From a financial perspective, one of the big problems with toxicity is that it chases people away, and gives the game a bad rap. (think 4chan or league)

Another is that a lot of people don't want to deal with it, I'm not sure about that 90% stat but I know I avoid ranked like the plague because of it. It's not fun wading through that stuff.

I'd rather play in custom rooms or in unranked matchmaking.

phwoar chan is censored?

um.... league, one of the biggest games on the planet right now... And definitly still very 'toxic'. What you got to say about that.? lol wtf? you avoid ranked just because of silly clan names? are you 5 years old? do you cry when someone calls you a dumb dumb? Its nothing like 90 percent . ITs a minority. Most people just deal with it.

[conr]

Originally posted by snek:

Originally posted by a christmas conr:

phwoar chan is censored?

um.... league, one of the biggest games on the planet right now... And definitly still very 'toxic'. What you got to say about that.? lol wtf? you avoid ranked just because of silly clan names? are you 5 years old? do you cry when someone calls you a dumb dumb? Its nothing like 90 percent . ITs a minority. Most people just deal with it.

why did you quote me?

[RocketMan]

Originally posted by snek:

Originally posted by a christmas conr:

phwoar chan is censored?

um.... league, one of the biggest games on the planet right now... And definitly still very 'toxic'. What you got to say about that.? lol wtf? you avoid ranked just because of silly clan names? are you 5 years old? do you cry when someone calls you a dumb dumb? Its nothing like 90 percent . ITs a minority. Most people just deal with it.

I avoid ranked due to a variety of factors. The names themselves don't bother me, but I do not enjoy the insults, baity behavior and the like. Both ingame and inchat.

You may enjoy it, but I do not. That is that.

Originally posted by SYK_iM:

You chose to try and paint me as a bully because I'm advocate advocate for free association and speech. Those aren't just rights but ideals in themselves. You will never be able to control people's ability to do good or bad. You're not going to be able to outwit or anticipate the highs and lows of human curiousity and creativity. It's why there will always be patches.

I'm glad you finally realized I'm not afraid to ♥♥♥♥ in your cereal when you made assumptions about me...

1. Advocating for bullying instead of grouping together against bullies and using ♥♥♥♥ talking. Using it as motivation to at least be able to combat people trying to ♥♥♥♥ up their day in a game. as a method to build confidence against ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It teaches persistence in the face of adversity.
2. You don't speak for me as a former victim of bullying and dealing with it by myself. You don't know ♥♥♥♥ about what experiences I've had.
3. That must lack empathy because I see obvious work arounds for the methods proposed by you.
4. I laugh at how ridiculous my own thoughts are to come up with something retarded, lame and needlessly offensive like "RapeMasters>9k". This even includes me laughing while you keep being butthurt after passive aggressively throwing ♥♥♥♥ at people yourself.
5. I laugh at your assumptions because I'm generally a polite person but sometimes I will try to make someone like you feel like ♥♥♥♥ because you try to slander others without truly considering their perspective because you take something at face value.
6. I don't like you because you remind me of a 4.8 Black mirror sociopath where money and social standing are more important than ideals. That's some simple minded basic ass ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I'm not sorry that I'm able to think of reasons to not do something like add a useless policy. I don't know why you don't see you're just banging your head against the wall or falling for obvious bait like random offensive stuff on the internet. FFS... I offer a valid, easy, no thought, work around for shadow bans and you still advocate for them.

Name restriction is a valid option but I really don't underestand why it's considered a bad PR move to be free speech and free association. They are both a fundamental right and ideal for freedom for everyone.

Sorry things aren't the way you want though. I think everyone can relate to having life related ♥♥♥♥ in their cereal. Sometimes in unfair portions. Reality can suck. Drive the ♥♥♥♥ on and maybe try to laugh and learn to take it in stride while trying to stay away from the crap as much as possible. Regardless of what you choose to do you're still going to eat some just like the rest of us and hopefully you figure out a way to deal with it that works and doesn't kill you.

You really don't have any other choice but to eat it like the rest of us. Sometimes it sucks but you will fail trying to prevent them from finding ways of living life just like you. We're curious creative freaks and rolling a rock up a hill it will never stay on top of is just going to wear you out.

Actually...I thought you brought up some really good points.
My bad if I came across differently.
That said it is my belief that nothing is set in stone. With enough effort, and patience you can change things. Online communities included. It just takes work, and convincing the right people.

There will always be bad eggs, but the whole community does not need to be sour.

[snkzy]

You call people baby like because they call you names, yet you refuse to play the game because of it? who is more baby like.....

[RocketMan]

Originally posted by snek:

You call people baby like because they call you names, yet you refuse to play the game because of it? who is more baby like.....

Snek, You okay man? You're acting pretty darn hostile today.

[418]

Because he's a baby? IDK...

But no seriously moderation isn't abuse. (unless it is, but there should be tools to contest moderation if necessary.) I do not understand why administrators and moderators alike are afraid to show people the door when they want to act like poor sports and cause people grief. Like, what are regulars going to do about it when they see someone clearly disregarding policy and being punished for it?

Are administrators afraid people will go full antifa and act worse saying it's censorship and tyranny to have an iron grip on your community? The whole point of moderation is to weed out bothersome people who believe staff is a joke and they can act however carte blance. Like it or not BMG is a corporation and it is in their best interest to fight the toxicity however they can. if that means less people can play, that's fine so long the problem is being removed and more people who act within policy and conduct rules can play without being discriminated against or triggered over excessively poor sportsmanship.

snek might have a skin of iron but that doesn't mean other people do. Some of the responses I've seen here would be considered reason to warn in other, less tolerable forums. Does Steam forums even have a warn function? I haven't seen it. I've been banned my fair share of times for poor conduct toward other people, and more often than not I can use another outlet to discuss with staff how I screwed up, they get to talk with me, see I'm actually not a really bad person and lift my ban. It's really simple; don't double-down on acting like ♥♥♥♥ and people will embrace you. If you have a community of people who doesn't act like ♥♥♥♥, more people will embrace that rather than not.

Espousing how you think it is useless to moderate by policy is like saying state and province laws are useless. Why even have a court system when law can't do ♥♥♥♥ to bring back the dead and get your stuff back yeah? That's the kind of thinking I can compare such espousal. I use extreme examples like that because I want people to pause and think about what they are saying. I'm not looking for people to power-trip and break the circuit of conversation just because people disagree, I only want this community to be a better place for our sake so i can play with my friends and see people not being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's really sad to see BMG hide post-game matchmaker chat just because they don't want to cure the problem, rather they want to hide the symptoms and that's how communities become so toxic they die.

[RocketMan]

Originally posted by w/ Pleasure:

Because he's a baby? IDK...

But no seriously moderation isn't abuse. (unless it is, but there should be tools to contest moderation if necessary.) I do not understand why administrators and moderators alike are afraid to show people the door when they want to act like poor sports and cause people grief. Like, what are regulars going to do about it when they see someone clearly disregarding policy and being punished for it?

Are administrators afraid people will go full antifa and act worse saying it's censorship and tyranny to have an iron grip on your community? The whole point of moderation is to weed out bothersome people who believe staff is a joke and they can act however carte blance. Like it or not BMG is a corporation and it is in their best interest to fight the toxicity however they can. if that means less people can play, that's fine so long the problem is being removed and more people who act within policy and conduct rules can play without being discriminated against or triggered over excessively poor sportsmanship.

snek might have a skin of iron but that doesn't mean other people do. Some of the responses I've seen here would be considered reason to warn in other, less tolerable forums. Does Steam forums even have a warn function? I haven't seen it. I've been banned my fair share of times for poor conduct toward other people, and more often than not I can use another outlet to discuss with staff how I screwed up, they get to talk with me, see I'm actually not a really bad person and lift my ban. It's really simple; don't double-down on acting like ♥♥♥♥ and people will embrace you.

Espousing how you think it is useless to moderate by policy is like saying state and province laws are useless. Why even have a court system when law can't do ♥♥♥♥ to bring back the dead and get your stuff back yeah? That's the kind of thinking I can compare such espousal. I use extreme examples like that because I want people to pause and _think about what they are saying._ I'm not looking for people to power-trip and break the circuit of conversation just because people disagree, I only want this community to be a better place for our sake so i can play with my friends and see people not being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's really sad to see BMG hide post-game matchmaker chat just because they don't want to cure the problem, rather they want to hide the symptoms and that's how communities become so toxic they die.

On the last part, I have to agree. It feels as if no moderation is going on ingame, even a better chat filter and an auto mute system would be an improvement. it is very easy to get overzealous with that though

That said, my take on moderation, atleast when it's not reading reports and responding to them, is to try to de-escalate issues prior to any harder measures such as bans and warnings. Sometimes people just have a bad day.

Being able to contest things is super important though. Sometimes I get carried away and get a little overzealous. (sorry conr!) Happens to the best of us.

[418]

Not that it matters, but I edited my original comment post-haste so the quote and the quoted OP differ. Whoops...

[D00k13]

Don't have to be sour but overprotectiveness is bad as well. Some people may be pursuaded by you but not everyone will agree to be a certain way and that includes me and my arguments. I think the whole benefits far more from better, stronger, tougher, individual parts. Growing pains are not a bad thing in my view.

I just hope that Antifa and Based Spartan types take eachother out. Words are one thing, violence another so they can all eat... something. :P

I feel like you're fighting the real diversity and depth that people are capable of being. Sweet all the time sucks, like sad all the time sucks, like spices all the time sucks. Letting people experience the spice isn't the same as wanting to just watch them drown in it.

[RocketMan]

Originally posted by SYK_iM:

Don't have to be sour but overprotectiveness is bad as well. Some people may be pursuaded by you but not everyone will agree to be a certain way and that includes me and my arguments. I think the whole benefits far more from better, stronger, tougher, individual parts. Growing pains are not a bad thing in my view.

I just hope that Antifa and Based Spartan types take eachother out. Words are one thing, violence another so they can all eat... something. :P

I feel like you're fighting the real diversity and depth that people are capable of being. Sweet all the time sucks, like sad all the time sucks, like spices all the time sucks. Letting people experience the spice isn't the same as wanting to just watch them drown in it.

I gotta agree here. My concern is more with the toxicity in general, and not so much how people express themselves.

Which is why I think this is a community issue. Being an example is a lot better than overzealous moderation.

There is a big difference between horsing around and being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[D00k13]

Tools for people to make their own blocklist, mute and stuff should be fine. It's not like a ♥♥♥♥ poster is unavoidable. Chat after the match isn't even expanded on match exit and when I do play online I really haven't had a terrible experience with the community with most matches ending in a GG and leaving the room. I think the OP of most of the threads here and elsewhere on the same subject are actually more toxic to the community with their exagerration of toxic actions in the community. I'm a solo player that is able to Re-Q fine after a match even if I do run into an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ so I don't understand why it's such big issue. It's not like people have to take the full suffering of reading words and official action taken when they can just leave and be paired with someone new that they might enjoy playing more with.

[Jack Hoffer]

Bet you wont fist fight me in real life though ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[bwof]

I personally, as part of clan "Hotler" think that oftentimes they are meant as jokes. I don't support Hitler or Nazi's, I just use it as a joke between friends. If there is a clan name that goes too far like using the N word or some other risque language but it would be too hard to enforce anyways.

[snkzy]

Originally posted by FoMalhON, wReCkEr oF AS:

I personally, as part of clan "Hotler" think that oftentimes they are meant as jokes. I don't support Hitler or Nazi's, I just use it as a joke between friends. If there is a clan name that goes too far like using the N word or some other risque language but it would be too hard to enforce anyways.

this guy gets it