How did Arno find out? (Spoilers)

[Jivebot]

So i was watching Youtube videos of the Baloon scene and caught a line I always missed previously. When Arno says 'You cheated'

I assume he's referencing when Elise cheated on him in the novels? But I dont remember that ever coming up in the game. So how did Arno find out? Am i just misremembering the game or misunderstanding the context of the line?

[PURPL3ru]

He might discovered it from a source or a rumours. Arno has a lots of connections so it might be.

[PURPL3ru]

And elise didn't deny it

[Devsman]

These two have always been playfully competitive about everything. He was about to say "I love you" but she kissed him before he could. She cheated.

[Jivebot]

Oooooh. So he still doesn't know she fooled around behind his back. lol Gotcha.

[SPQR]

Wait a minute, she cheated on Arno in the novel? Where is this?

[Jivebot]

I dont remember it all anymore but basically the novel is about Elise's adventure right before returning to france in the game. She has a one night stand with the captain of her Ship. feels guilty about it immediately after and vows to never let Arno find out.

[SPQR]

I did a little digging because I can’t see anything to that effect in my version of the book (I live in Australia and presumably got the original UK version) .

Apparently, there is a difference between the events that transpired during Élise’s trip across the English Channel: https://mobile.twitter.com/larmoiredelise/status/1487823989204561929?t=Ge7utmClv53CtDPtsaZwOw&s=19

Personally, I’d think the UK version is canon. I honestly wouldn’t like to think that Élise lost her virginity to someone else, lol.

[Jivebot]

Wow. I had no idea they took it out of the UK book. That's awesome. lol

This sort of garbage has been all over TV and film for the last decade, at least. And that's just when I started noticing it. I'm sure that frog was boiling long before i caught on. This cultural push from the Hollywood elite to normalize...even glamorize...infidelity. Especially female infidelity. Male infidelity will almost always be portrayed negative-to-neutral but female infidelity tends to be neutral-to-positive or at least sympathetic.

It's usually just small, quick throwaway lines/scenes. Meant to slowly numb you to the idea. Exactly like the little casual throwaway revelation that Elise was a backstabber. lol. So then they try and mitigate it by throwing Arno under the bus too. Now they're both backstabbing sleazes. Modern subversive storytelling at it's peak.

Naturally, anything in Hollywood eventually bleeds over into video games, comics and other entertainment mediums. Invisible Woman cheats on Mr. Fantastic in almost every alternate universe book they do. Usually with Namor and at least once with Thing. If she hasn't done it yet in mainstream Marvel i'm sure she will. Marvel has been circling the toilet drain for a long time now. And animated DCU's Batgirl cheats on Nightwing....with BATMAN of all people.

I think when I first noticed how gross and common this was becoming was back when I used to watch Vampire Diaries(Which I am ashamed to admit, lol). And this one character goes and has a fling with the guy who murdered her on-again/off-again boyfriend's mother AND murdered her best friend's aunt(who raised them all like a mother). Yeah, technically they were off-again at the time but holy crap...dude murdered your boyfriend's mom and you go bang him on a technicality? Really? Kinda stopped watching after that. Especially for how sympathetically she was portrayed in the whole thing and how vilified the boyfriend was for saying something hurtful but true to her after he found out.

Why does Hollywood try to normalize this crap? Because to paraphrase the greatest storyteller of modern history....evil can not create. It can only subvert.

I read that comment thread you linked and it is interesting to actually READ the lines myself finally. It's especially notable how...out-of-character Arno's so-called "journal entry" feels. Elise's too for that matter. And you'd never know ANY of this just playing the game. So why do it at all? What purpose did any of it even serve other than to subvert a beautiful romance saga?

Oh never mind. I already answered that question: Evil can not create. It can only subvert.

[SPQR]

Hehehe. Yeah, I agree. Hollywood and their “right honourable” writers are also invoking the stereotype that French people sleep around and behave like those characters we see in “Emily in Paris”.

It is almost comical. Some American writers want to be cheeky and yet do not have the guts to go full guns blazing. They randomly added in a plot of Élise and Arno cheating on each other but refused to provide the details, presumably because they want to make an erotic fanfic while staying PG.

I mean Élise’s interaction with that captain is just weird in both versions. And for the US version to suggest that she not only got drunk but also willingly had sex with Byron (well at least there isn’t anything non-con there so thank goodness)… She was only 20 at the time if I remember correctly so this may have been her first time… I honestly think Arno ought to pay this captain a visit in game. Perhaps the captain was spreading the rumour when in reality nothing had happened. Tbh I wonder why the captain is even in the book because his contribution to the story is minimal.

I also cannot believe they added an entire journal from Arno just to justify what Élise did there…

[SPQR]

Presumably because in the official canon Élise had never cheated on Arno (non-US novel versions), so she only took it as a joke/tease.

Originally posted by PURPL3ru:

And elise didn't deny it

[SPQR]

Originally posted by Jivebot:

Wow. I had no idea they took it out of the UK book. That's awesome. lol

This sort of garbage has been all over TV and film for the last decade, at least. And that's just when I started noticing it. I'm sure that frog was boiling long before i caught on. This cultural push from the Hollywood elite to normalize...even glamorize...infidelity. Especially female infidelity. Male infidelity will almost always be portrayed negative-to-neutral but female infidelity tends to be neutral-to-positive or at least sympathetic.

It's usually just small, quick throwaway lines/scenes. Meant to slowly numb you to the idea. Exactly like the little casual throwaway revelation that Elise was a backstabber. lol. So then they try and mitigate it by throwing Arno under the bus too. Now they're both backstabbing sleazes. Modern subversive storytelling at it's peak.

Naturally, anything in Hollywood eventually bleeds over into video games, comics and other entertainment mediums. Invisible Woman cheats on Mr. Fantastic in almost every alternate universe book they do. Usually with Namor and at least once with Thing. If she hasn't done it yet in mainstream Marvel i'm sure she will. Marvel has been circling the toilet drain for a long time now. And animated DCU's Batgirl cheats on Nightwing....with BATMAN of all people.

I think when I first noticed how gross and common this was becoming was back when I used to watch Vampire Diaries(Which I am ashamed to admit, lol). And this one character goes and has a fling with the guy who murdered her on-again/off-again boyfriend's mother AND murdered her best friend's aunt(who raised them all like a mother). Yeah, technically they were off-again at the time but holy crap...dude murdered your boyfriend's mom and you go bang him on a technicality? Really? Kinda stopped watching after that. Especially for how sympathetically she was portrayed in the whole thing and how vilified the boyfriend was for saying something hurtful but true to her after he found out.

Why does Hollywood try to normalize this crap? Because to paraphrase the greatest storyteller of modern history....evil can not create. It can only subvert.

I read that comment thread you linked and it is interesting to actually READ the lines myself finally. It's especially notable how...out-of-character Arno's so-called "journal entry" feels. Elise's too for that matter. And you'd never know ANY of this just playing the game. So why do it at all? What purpose did any of it even serve other than to subvert a beautiful romance saga?

Oh never mind. I already answered that question: Evil can not create. It can only subvert.

It is funny to come back to this post, thinking that after all these years, maybe we could be afforded a simple reason as to why there is a discrepancy? Alas no, we are still kept in the dark and have to keep reminding our American friends to ignore the passages that portray mademoiselle de la Serre as a dock side ♥♥♥♥♥... Not to mention that whoever did the US version lacked the basic decency to be honest about what happened THAT NIGHT - if you are going to be dodgy, go ALL IN.

[Jivebot]

It's just subversive for subversion's sake. The mark of the talentless hack. It's why they constantly want to "remake/reimagine" great works through a "modern lense" and make things "reflect the world we live in".

These are all code phrases for "I am a lazy and artistically bankrupt hack. You would never pay for my trash ideas of your own free will so i'll use an existing IP you love to Trojan Horse my way into your wallet"

[SPQR]

Originally posted by Jivebot:

It's just subversive for subversion's sake. The mark of the talentless hack. It's why they constantly want to "remake/reimagine" great works through a "modern lense" and make things "reflect the world we live in".

These are all code phrases for "I am a lazy and artistically bankrupt hack. You would never pay for my trash ideas of your own free will so i'll use an existing IP you love to Trojan Horse my way into your wallet"

And the stinging aspect of it is... the novel did not mention Élise ever sharing intimacy with Arno prior to the events in game. So basically they are saying that she lost her virginity to an English captain while travelling on a boat across the English Channel. Meanwhile Arno also spent his formative years around girls who are not Élise and lost his innocence. Makes no sense at all, lol.