Endless Winter Question

[Crazy Alchemy]

Has there been a patch yet, to either select weather options to prevent endless winter, or to stabalize seasons, like by surviving an ice age that eventually comes to an end, or by completing the main quest.

Or just a mod to never have an infinite winter (without removing winter entirely)?

Because this is the main reason I still haven't bought the game. I will not buy a 4x game that has a max turn limit after which it punishes the player for trying to play, a lot of 4x players like to play endless games and for a game with endless in the title it's kind of dumb to force people to stop playing against their will.

This game really appeals to me on many levels, I want to buy it, but I want to know I'll be able to play the game without being punished with endless winter if I try to play on a huge map.

[100% Recycled Awesome]

Winters grow longer as the game goes on but they aren't "endless." Sometimes they go 40+ turns which can be absurdly long, but that's part of the game. As the Stark say, "Winter is Coming." Gotta plan wars, expansion, and if you're not the teleporting Vaulters, reinforcement around Winter.

I'd really like to see optimization to reduce the performance problems on Winter, but the whole long Winters make this game unique. Furthermore, I believe you can keep playing after the turns officially end. But I haven't actually spend 600 turns in any one game and all I play right now is endless.

[Crazy Alchemy]

From what I understand in what I've seen and read the winters grow progressively worse until it's like 40 turns of winter and only two turns of summer aren't significant enough to even be counted for gameplay purposes it's nothing but endless winter, the game pretty much just breaks and becomes unplayable for anyone who likes playing drawn out games on huge maps.

That's why I haven't bought, and won't buy the game, unless this is changed, or has been changed. I'm far from the only one who feels this way, I've seen a lot of threads while trying to follow this game echoing my sentiment.

[100% Recycled Awesome]

Originally posted by Red Cyka:

From what I understand in what I've seen and read the winters grow progressively worse until it's like 40 turns of winter and only two turns of summer aren't significant enough to even be counted for gameplay purposes it's nothing but endless winter, the game pretty much just breaks and becomes unplayable for anyone who likes playing drawn out games on huge maps.

You have to adjust your game play as Winter sets in. Winter immune units are hugely useful towards the later portion when Winters stretch to 40 turns and Summer is only 10-25 turns. Armies of Hurnas, Ice Wargs, or Guaran become quite powerful. And heros can be leveled so that the cities they governor ignore Winter's effects. Or you could just make a faction that ignores Winter entirely....

I don't think Winter is a big problem with the game outside of the FPS performance drag that it has on the game.

[Crazy Alchemy]

Originally posted by 100% Recycled Awesome:

You have to adjust your game play as Winter sets in.

I'm not saying winter should be taken out of the game, I'm saying there shouldn't be a permanent ice age forced on everyone no matter what if they try to play past x number of turns that just ruins the end game. Stop defending winter mechanics to me.

[Crazy Alchemy]

So the answer to my question is no, the end game is still completely ruined by permanent winter. So I won't buy the game.

[100% Recycled Awesome]

Originally posted by Red Cyka:

So the answer to my question is no, the end game is still completely ruined by permanent winter. So I won't buy the game.

That depends how you define "completely ruined."

[Done25]

Originally posted by Red Cyka:

Originally posted by 100% Recycled Awesome:

You have to adjust your game play as Winter sets in.

I'm not saying winter should be taken out of the game, I'm saying there shouldn't be a permanent ice age forced on everyone no matter what if they try to play past x number of turns that just ruins the end game. Stop defending winter mechanics to me.

Uhhh, it doesn't ruin end game. If you don't have anti winter tech and skills by the time it rolls around that's your fault. Hell, there is a pre-game Faction trait you can get that not only negates the winter movement penalty but also gives ALL of your units +2 move during winter!

[100% Recycled Awesome]

Originally posted by Done25:

Uhhh, it doesn't ruin end game. If you don't have anti winter tech and skills by the time it rolls around that's your fault. Hell, there is a pre-game Faction trait you can get that not only negates the winter movement penalty but also gives ALL of your units +2 move!

Oh yeah. By turn 450, should anti-winter tech done and done. Especially if you're the Vaulters. The holy resource bonus, teleport and winter shelters can let them largely ignore Winter and use winter immune units to mop up the other factions.

Song of Ice gives +2 movement? Nice.

In theory, with enough Eycris minor factions, units could have movement points up to 20? That's disgusting.

[Crazy Alchemy]

Originally posted by Done25:

Originally posted by Red Cyka:

I'm not saying winter should be taken out of the game, I'm saying there shouldn't be a permanent ice age forced on everyone no matter what if they try to play past x number of turns that just ruins the end game. Stop defending winter mechanics to me.

Uhhh, it doesn't ruin end game. If you don't have anti winter tech and skills by the time it rolls around that's your fault.

It ruins the end game even if you do have anti-winter tech because it screwes up the map, it looks annoying, it sounds annoying, and the AI can't handle it.

You can defend that all you want but it sucks and it ruins the end game for a lot of people myself included. It was a stupid design decision. I guess everyone who hated it has left because they stopped playing the game so all that's left is people who are ok with it.

[Crazy Alchemy]

I won't buy this game because of the winter end game conditions, if the ice age ended after a period of time, or if there were some way to end it by completing a quest, I'd be fine with it, but permanent ice age is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and I want no part of it.

Besides the game looks more interesting when there are seasons with random unpredictable lengths that you have to plan for, if the end game pretty much just takes away the seasons and replaces it with nothing but endless winter that makes the end game boring, like a punishment state for playing the game too long.

[Stinky_Ogre]

if they changed winter at all other then the performance issues ill destroy the compony that made this game! its one of the things that makes it different and not another easy to play civ game (obviously being sarcastic about the destroying thing) and honestly if your in a game for that long and havn't won or at least seen everything or working on winning? 4x games might not be your thing. though peoples opinions differ, like i think age of wonders 3 is a waste of money and i wish i never pre ordered it while others love it to death.

[Med]

By the time the permanent winter even becomes an issue, the game is very likely already won. Continuing beyond the winning conditions is still just as fun, and the anti-winter tech is there to make it an experience that's not very punishing.

[Crazy Alchemy]

Originally posted by Isseth:

By the time the permanent winter even becomes an issue, the game is very likely already won.

Some of us like to keep playing and resent being arbitrarily forced out of the game

Originally posted by Isseth:

Continuing beyond the winning conditions is still just as fun, and the anti-winter tech is there to make it an experience that's not very punishing.:dwarven:

Do the winter techs make the annoying fog and ambiant sounds go away or bring back the summer cycles so that the AI can prosper and so that the game doesn't become a boring monotone?

[Crazy Alchemy]

Originally posted by Stinky_Ogre:

if they changed winter at all other then the performance issues ill destroy the compony that made this game! its one of the things that makes it different and not another easy to play civ game (obviously being sarcastic about the destroying thing)

You're obviously just trolling, but just to clarify again I'm not saying that winter should be taken out of the game, I'm saying that I want options to disable or end or live past the ice age, these options could be added TO THE OPTIONS MENU when creating a map, if you would hate the company for GIVING PLAYERS MORE OPTIONS, then that's pathetic.

Originally posted by Stinky_Ogre:

honestly if your in a game for that long and havn't won

Some of us like to continue playing after winning, some of us don't view rushing to victory as the main appeal of this sort of game.

[Gladeel]

Hello everyone!
First, the Endless Winter is an important element of the lore in Endless Legend. Do not forget that Auriga is dying, the planet has incredibly harsh and long seasons.

FYI, the Endless Winter doesn't exist anymore (the Endless Winter appears during the turn 3001). However, when you reach the late game, Summer is quite short so it looks like Eternal Winter but it's not. We understand that most of the players feel like it's the Eternal Winter and we will explain to you how to tweak it (and so change the duration of Summer/Winter). We still need to work on this tweak but it is not our top priority right now.

Why not just make it a setup menu option?

If we create an option which disable winter, it will create a lot of bugs and issues. Why? Because there are quests that the players can only achieve during the winter. Moreover, the factions will not be balanced. For instance, the factions which are more winter-effects oriented, are stronger during the late game. If we disable winter, those factions will be incredibly nerfed. It will ask too much work for our team in order to balance the factions.

At the moment, I can't confirm if it will be an option. We are still thinking about it.

Cheers,