How do you win or lose this game?

[Pirate Santa]

I am playing and a popup just told me the AI is close to a victory quest. Chapter 1 of 5. Or something like that.

If another player wins is that a lose condition for me? Just how close is that? How can you tell what the various victory conditions are? I'm only in age 4 and I don't think any other empire is out of age 3 yet. If this goes on I'm not sure anyone will ever reach age 6. (6 is the max right?)

I guess I have to go to war with the orange AI, it shouldn't be too hard, they seem to only have 2 (maybe 3) regions, but it worries me because the dark green AI has 7, and if I had to race them to an end goal I might not be able to knock them off quickly enough.

[Pirate Santa]

I just noticed that there are some bright flares hanging over a few ruins. I didn't notice those before. Are they related?

As a side note: in my starting continent I built roads (right of way) that let me travel around faster .5 movement for a road, even through the wods. In the new continent everyone seems to have roads, but they don't grant me any movement bonus. Even when I took over a few towns the roads that link them aren't giving a movement advantage. What's up? Do roads only give advantage to the player that built them? Would it help if I destroyed the 'right of way' expansion and then rebuilt it?

[skyrimemailtest]

They are connected to the Victory Quest line.

Open the Empire Management Screen in the bottom right is the Status Screen button. It shows your score and a table of the current progress in all the victory conditions.

[Pirate Santa]

Originally posted by skyrimemailtest:

They are connected to the Victory Quest line.

Open the Empire Management Screen in the bottom right is the Status Screen button. It shows your score and a table of the current progress in all the victory conditions.

Ok thanks. It seems that I'm actually way behind everyone else. I was kinda ignoring my quest in favor of dominating the globe, and most everyone else is nearing the last step.

It shows progress toward a diplomatic and economic victory too. How are those achieved?

[skyrimemailtest]

Hover the mouse over the column headings.

[Mazile]

Types of victories and win conditions for them i remember
Economic - gather dust (at huge map you need to accumulate 1M dust total)
Diplomatic - use diplomatic screen, make alliances and just wait
Supremacy - capture all capitals
Expansion - take the most of territories
War - destroy other factions
Score - be with the most score at last turn
Quest - complete faction quests
Wonder - you have to build wonder (never witnessed it and don't remember if it's in this game)
Science - unlock 5 of 6 technologies of era 6

[Pirate Santa]

Originally posted by Mazile:

Types of victories and win conditions for them i remember
Economic - gather dust (at huge map you need to accumulate 1M dust total)
Diplomatic - use diplomatic screen, make alliances and just wait
Supremacy - capture all capitals
Expansion - take the most of territories
War - destroy other factions
Score - be with the most score at last turn
Quest - complete faction quests
Wonder - you have to build wonder (never witnessed it and don't remember if it's in this game)
Science - unlock 5 of 6 technologies of era 6

Thanks, It was confusing to me because some of them aren't well written. Supremacy and elimination for example: I was playing in a game with 6 players (myself and 5 AI), and it told me to rule over 2 capitals. I guess your starting city is your capital, and I assume it means capture capitals so it won't count your own... so it should have ended about 1/3rd of the way into the game when I took my neighbor's capitals. But it didn't. I won when I took them all (as you said it should be, capture all capitals). But how do you win with a war/elimination victory then? So far as I can tell when you attack a city the only option is to capture it. (which was not delightful to me early on when I already had expanded myself too much and didn't yet have the buildings or luxuries to keep my people happy) So how can you eliminate people without capturing their cities?

Thankfully the game let me keep playing. Would it still have let me keep playing if an AI had won?

[Mazile]

Glad to help
Can't really tell how to destroy cities, tbh, never went into force play
But there should be info about it somewhere
And never played to the point when AI wins, so can't help you with that either

[PhilkIced]

One of the things you can "build" on a city queue is the picture of a yellow flame with black background named Salt the Earth, put that on the queue and that city will be razed down to ashes.

I mostly play necro, elimination is my thing

[New Moon On Monday]

I got messages for to victory for expansion and supremacy, when factions had achieved half of what they needed. But I got a message for close to an economic victory when I had achieved 80% of the dust needed. I got multiple messages about AI opponents being close to the faction victory about halfway through the game (~150 turns in out of 300), but apparently they never finished them. I think "close" is a very loose term.

I thought I had finished the faction quest, but maybe it was a chapter, because I didn't win at that point. I'm not sure how those are divided up. But I unlocked the building I needed for the wonder quest while pursuing the faction quest (which I couldn't finish, I had about 15 turns left on building it when I hit turn 300 and the game ended based o score).

[New Moon On Monday]

Looking back to the manual, quest and wonder are not separate victory conditions. Building the wonder is the victory condition, and you unlock the wonder by completing the main faction quest.

[Mazile]

That's why i got feeling that there must be wonder but didn't know where to find one :D

[Pirate Santa]

Originally posted by New Moon On Monday:

Looking back to the manual, quest and wonder are not separate victory conditions. Building the wonder is the victory condition, and you unlock the wonder by completing the main faction quest.

It's been a long time since I've played 4x stratagy games like Civ. I think I played Civ 2 or 3... and Masters of Orian 2. The point is, I was a little floored at the thought of winning or losing based on anything but total domination ... the idea that you could be building a thriving empire, ahead in tech, and only haven't killed everyone because there are so many other fun things to build and research... and then you lose because the dragon people have everyone on speed dial and that's been giving them secret victory points, well that was a bit of a shocker. In retrospect I over reacted (and killed everyone)

I'm not sure about quest and wonder victory conditons, after you do the faction quest there is a final quest (generic) that puts 5 dust pillars on ruins and is about finding, defending, and re-activating a space ship. You can win by doing that too.

But thanks for helping me understand the game.

[PhilkIced]

"In retrospect I over reacted (and killed everyone)"

This is my new favorite quote and I'll put it in my grave.

[New Moon On Monday]

I noticed on my current game that the quest line after the faction quest is titled "victory quest." So completing the faction quest is the prerequesite that unlocks both the wonder victory and quest victory.

It is possible that I have just not been reading carefully all the way through, but I think that the in-game messages are not always using clear and consistent terminology with the quest lines and status notices. The manual does not mention the victory quest.

[Pirate Santa]

Originally posted by PhilkIced:

"In retrospect I over reacted (and killed everyone)"

This is my new favorite quote and I'll put it in my grave.

glad I could help.