Tryed to start Civ VI after a long break and couldn't start

[Schakar]

as I REFUSE to agree to these criminal EULAs!

Just alone the try to take away the right by law to have a fair law suit is absurd. And there is just one reason why companies try this disgusting fraud: to not risk any regulations by justice or presidency proceedings!

I once agreed to the original EULA and so I could play Civ VI. But now as I refuse to this SINGLE SIDED contract change to my disadvantag (which is FORBIDDEN BY LAW in german!!!!) Firaxis and Take Two stole my game access.

Yes, they STOLE my key without refounding.
If I try to click on "I do not agree" absolut nothing happens. The game doesn't even close. This way Take-Two, 2k and Firaxis try to FORCE me to agree to this criminal froud.

In germany this is called "Schutzgelderpressung". A criminal act on its own!

!! ENOUGH !!

Anything past "the legal regulations in your country apply" I DO NOT AGREE TOO!
And even if I do ... as there are so many paragraphs which clearly violate Europen and German laws ... the hole EULA is meaningless, invalid and can 100% be ignored all over Europe!

Again, I agreed to the EULA at the time I bought your game. I will NOT agree to ANY change of that contract!

I reserve my right to sue Take-Two, 2k and Firaxis infront of an ordinary court!

[Schakar]

For those who are interested:

§ 305 BGB up to § 310 BGB.

Espezialy (google translated)

§ 307 BGB "Clauses that unreasonably disadvantage the contractual partner are INVALID"
§ 308 BGB "Clauses that unilaterally stipulate certain contractual conditions are INVALID"
this included retroactive one sided changes like in this case
§ 309 BGB "Clauses that exclude or restrict certain rights of the contractual partner are INVALID"
The most important one: German laws GARANTEE me the right to sue any company if I decide to! And it'S 100% irrelevant that a freaking game-company tryes to refuse me this rights in their "EULA"!

PS: so even if I would now click on "agree" as I want to play the game I PAID FOR ... it does NOT MATTER as these clauses are against the law in germany and with this are INVALID!

[Cheeky little sausage]

Ok buddy 👌

[Schakar]

Originally posted by Cheeky little sausage:

Ok buddy 👌

And this is why they get away with it. Ignoranz.

[Cheeky little sausage]

Originally posted by Schakar:

Originally posted by Cheeky little sausage:

Ok buddy 👌

And this is why they get away with it. Ignoranz.

No. You are just overly paranoid. You probably think the government is watching you from your tv as well.

Good luck suing them though. Let us know how you get on. I am curious to know.

[Evrach]

Then don’t play the game, where is the issue ?

[Rift]

Originally posted by Cheeky little sausage:

No. You are just overly paranoid.

This. Anytime I see people complaining about EULA's, in my mind, they immediately get grouped alongside anti-Vaxxers, Flat Earthers, Ancient Aliens loonies, Sovereign Citizens, HAARP clowns, etc.

[davemon]

Wow, how entertaining. Surely there are bigger things to worry about in life. Why not just agree to these statements clearly constructed to single you out of millions of gamers, and just enjoy the game without regret?

[Schakar]

Originally posted by Rift:

Originally posted by Cheeky little sausage:

No. You are just overly paranoid.

This. Anytime I see people complaining about EULA's, in my mind, they immediately get grouped alongside anti-Vaxxers, Flat Earthers, Ancient Aliens loonies, Sovereign Citizens, HAARP clowns, etc.

So you compare laws with flat earthers? Then I have the question who is the true flat earther.
Do you even know what BGB ("Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch") is?

But comparing this with flat-earthers is just ... wow ... how undereducated can someone be?

EDIT: rofl ... armerican ... yea, education isn't the strongest point of the USA :D

@Davemon to point out that there are bigger problems is a anti-argument. Something you can allways use for any problem to instantly kill any discussion. As there is allways something else which is (in your eyes) more important.

Does not change the fact that espezialy tech-companys will try any direty trick to bypass active laws and ABUSEE their custumers.

It is NOT for our (the costumers) safety/security if Tech-companys spy at us. The companies datamine our privacy to make profit out of our data and give a ♥♥♥♥ about "our securitys"!
I work with computers since C16 times and NEVER got any data stolen/hacked from my private computers. But on daily base my private data get stolen from big Tech-Companies as their securety systems SUCK HARD!
Or as these exact Tech-Companies directly SELL my/our private data to criminals!
It is NOT for our best if Tech-Companys try hard to take away our lawfull RIGHTS! It's nothing but a shamefull try to prevent people to hold these Tech-Companys accounteble!

All they want is Hillbilly Wild-West where they can act as they wish.

But ignorance rules as it seams :(. Non of you who replayed seams to understand the deeper problems. Or just don't care in very best Fanyboy BOT manner.

[Cheeky little sausage]

Originally posted by Schakar:

Originally posted by Rift:

This. Anytime I see people complaining about EULA's, in my mind, they immediately get grouped alongside anti-Vaxxers, Flat Earthers, Ancient Aliens loonies, Sovereign Citizens, HAARP clowns, etc.

So you compare laws with flat earthers? Then I have the question who is the true flat earther.
Do you even know what BGB ("Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch") is?

But comparing this with flat-earthers is just ... wow ... how undereducated can someone be?

EDIT: rofl ... armerican ... yea, education isn't the strongest point of the USA :D

@Davemon to point out that there are bigger problems is a anti-argument. Something you can allways use for any problem to instantly kill any discussion. As there is allways something else which is (in your eyes) more important.

Does not change the fact that espezialy tech-companys will try any direty trick to bypass active laws and ABUSEE their custumers.

It is NOT for our (the costumers) safety/security if Tech-companys spy at us. The companies datamine our privacy to make profit out of our data and give a ♥♥♥♥ about "our securitys"!
I work with computers since C16 times and NEVER got any data stolen/hacked from my private computers. But on daily base my private data get stolen from big Tech-Companies as their securety systems SUCK HARD!
Or as these exact Tech-Companies directly SELL my/our private data to criminals!
It is NOT for our best if Tech-Companys try hard to take away our lawfull RIGHTS! It's nothing but a shamefull try to prevent people to hold these Tech-Companys accounteble!

All they want is Hillbilly Wild-West where they can act as they wish.

But ignorance rules as it seams :(. Non of you who replayed seams to understand the deeper problems. Or just don't care in very best Fanyboy BOT manner.

Have you contacted your lawyer yet? I want updates on your proceedings.

[Evrach]

Originally posted by Schakar:

Originally posted by Rift:

This. Anytime I see people complaining about EULA's, in my mind, they immediately get grouped alongside anti-Vaxxers, Flat Earthers, Ancient Aliens loonies, Sovereign Citizens, HAARP clowns, etc.

So you compare laws with flat earthers? Then I have the question who is the true flat earther.
Do you even know what BGB ("Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch") is?

But comparing this with flat-earthers is just ... wow ... how undereducated can someone be?

EDIT: rofl ... armerican ... yea, education isn't the strongest point of the USA :D

@Davemon to point out that there are bigger problems is a anti-argument. Something you can allways use for any problem to instantly kill any discussion. As there is allways something else which is (in your eyes) more important.

Does not change the fact that espezialy tech-companys will try any direty trick to bypass active laws and ABUSEE their custumers.

It is NOT for our (the costumers) safety/security if Tech-companys spy at us. The companies datamine our privacy to make profit out of our data and give a ♥♥♥♥ about "our securitys"!
I work with computers since C16 times and NEVER got any data stolen/hacked from my private computers. But on daily base my private data get stolen from big Tech-Companies as their securety systems SUCK HARD!
Or as these exact Tech-Companies directly SELL my/our private data to criminals!
It is NOT for our best if Tech-Companys try hard to take away our lawfull RIGHTS! It's nothing but a shamefull try to prevent people to hold these Tech-Companys accounteble!

All they want is Hillbilly Wild-West where they can act as they wish.

But ignorance rules as it seams :(. Non of you who replayed seams to understand the deeper problems. Or just don't care in very best Fanyboy BOT manner.

It's funny because you're the one calling other people dumb, but you're also the one that seems to think he will resolve its legal problem on a gaming forum from a 3rd party provider having nothing to do neither with firaxis nor with 2K...

If you are a reasonnable person and have a legal problem with them, just go to see your lawyer and take an action, that's all :)

[Dagoth Ur]

man dude you must not play any video games at all because they all have EULAs

[Schakar]

Originally posted by Cheeky little sausage:

Have you contacted your lawyer yet? I want updates on your proceedings.

Yes and in addition I talked with https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/ and https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/ .

German consumer protaction agentcy allready answared to me with in short: "we are awar and validating actions against several companies including Blizzard, UbiSoft, EA, Sony and more".

Would it make sense to get my own lawer? No (after consulting a lawer he explained to me how I can actual do something).
But starting to work with EU- and Country- cosumer protections yes! And this might be confusing to you ... they have much more power then you might belive :).

@Evrach
Realy? Where had you been when Helldivers 2 crashed adter Sony tryed a similar stunt? Concord, Suezide Squad, Dragon Age and all the other failes?
Just for you: ALL that matters are sale numbers!

And many of these greedy spying abusing companys want to sell on Steam. So Steam is exactly the right position and not any company-owned inside-only forum. Most of them have their own forums. And if you belive it or not ... I visited non of them. Never. I do not care. Like most people I know ... you use the global forum where you bought the Game > Steam Forums.

Hit them where it hurts and most people see it.

[Schakar]

And yes these Consumer Right Agencys are slow. I know.
But being slow is better then stigging your head into the sand.

[davemon]

Take a breather. Check your blood pressure. We'd really hate to lose you over this.

[SlasH]

All these internet lawyers