why i,m done with civilization and will not be buying civ 7

[Magister Ludi]

I'm older than dirt. Been playing civilization since the game
's inception, both on pc and on Sony PS. Sony indicated that I had over 2400 hours, don't know if that was on civ 5 civ 6 or whatever. Anyway Gathering storm comes out and i find the PS4 can't handle the load. I buy a PS5 and the PS 5 game version. PS5 can't handle it either. I actually think PS5 should be robust enuogh to handle the game but neither Firaxis nor Sony give a damn as long as they get your money, absolutley ZERO support. We are six months down the road and you can still see people reporting game crashing when trying to load. Anyway I got the Steam version and switched to PC version. Game is fairly stable as long as you don't leave too much saved game data, which can overload it.

Next problem is that you have to figure out how the games works, rules mechanics etc. In the old days game devs sold guide books, costingas much as thed gmaes sometimes, each time a new versionj came out. Devs don't do that any more . I can't see why not, seems like a lost profit stream , maybe the devs are too lazy? Maybe the games have outgrown the dev abilities to understand what they have created and the devs dont know how the game actually works. In any case it appears to me that the devs have turned that part of the game over to the streamers. The streamers have taken the joy out of playing the game for me. I just get frustrated as hell because I watch what they do but things do not work that way for me. A month or so ago the immortal difficuly level was added. Before that was added i was progressing through emperor level. Whatever they did dropped my back to king level. Would be nice to find a streamer that would exlpain whats going on. All I can find is streamers who do play throughs on Diety level, all random rolls of course. Um what ? I can reroll a dozen times on emperor level , using same settings they claim to and NOT get a spawn anywhere as good as their 'random" first roll spawn".

You can disagree with what I say but but you cannot negate what I feel . So , so long FIRAXIS throught the years I do not kn ow how many copies, versions on PC and console you have sold me, 8? 9? 10? But this BS is the end of the line for me I'm not even looking at the hoopla for Civ 7.

PS kudos for the original concepts and imagination put into to your games. The crerative part of your company is the the strong side. I can't say the same for the people that implement the interface controls and mechanics. That part of the games seems to have dropped off a cliff in gathering storm, maybe it fell apart in new Frontiers, cant remember but to me it seems very anti intuitive in many parts.

[Skumboni]

Consoles are the problem not the game. Save bloat is solved by deleting older saves from your save folder.

[grognardgary]

The game was really never designed with consoles in mind. it is also way past it prime and with 7 on the horizon all they are really doing is a bunch of monthly challenges base around special play options just to keep everyone sort of interested until VII comes out. So don't expect then to spend a whole lot of money reworking the game for consoles

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Magister Ludi:

Next problem is that you have to figure out how the games works, rules mechanics etc. In the old days game devs sold guide books, costingas much as thed gmaes sometimes, each time a new versionj came out. Devs don't do that any more . I can't see why not, seems like a lost profit stream , maybe the devs are too lazy?

It has nothing to do with lazyness, but rather with the internet being so much of a titan in terms of providing information, that an outdated medium will simply not earn enough to make it worth dealing with it outside of some edge.

So i honestly don't understand, why someone would even want to pay 60 € for something, that's inferior in any way and probably has half its informations being outdated in 3 month anyway.

Originally posted by Magister Ludi:

Would be nice to find a streamer that would exlpain whats going on. All I can find is streamers who do play throughs on Diety level, all random rolls of course. Um what ? I can reroll a dozen times on emperor level , using same settings they claim to and NOT get a spawn anywhere as good as their 'random" first roll spawn".

Streaming offers the unique opportunity, that you can jump on their live streams and actually ask things, which you don't understand. If you don't ask, then they're more often than not just assuming that people rather come for entertainment than explanations.

And for copying the world generation make sure, that you also use the same world seeds, otherwise you would get random stuff. And even more importantly, keep in mind that better players usually exploit their starting area way more, which can look like they're a better roll, when in reality most rolls are similarly good in that regard, some people just value some things more than others and call a good seed bad due to not understanding, why it's actually good.