Vampire is kinda...OP

[zcondar]

Late game my first vampire has +40 from having units die around him. No thing can do more than 5 damage to him, and he heals 50 by plundering, which cost only one action (yes, you can do two consecutive plunder on district).

This also means that all the vampires that spawned after him are sort of useless, since they don't have high stack and they can't be upgraded through experience. I'm thinking maybe just one vampire, and allow us to upgrade him like how we upgrade megabot. That would be more fun.

[🅺🅴🆁🅸🆅🅴🅽]

I think the next thing which should be introduced in this game are the Avengers:D As Captain America the strongest of them all of course and he could be also immotal lmao ahh yeah and Superman for air support replacing the stealth bomber

[🅺🅴🆁🅸🆅🅴🅽]

This franchise starting to look like the Fast and the Furious franchise lmao first movie was good and then the cars started flying around and no one could be killed

[Legion = surrender]

Vampire stacks should be limited, in addition, vampires should lose some stacks, if it gets defeated. The vampire base strength is 107 in endgame and counts as melee. You have to defeat a vampire in 1 turn to remove it from your territory, which gets harder and harder the longer the game lasts.

Movementspeed:
Base: 2
Bonus for Civ: 1
Bonus for Convoy: 1
Bonus for GP: 1
Bonus for policies: 1 (friendly/enemy territory)

Total Movement speed: 6(!).

[Aeekto]

Every SS is OP.

SS is not about balance but about having fun and changing the game drastically, just like apocalypse mode.

Ever tried leylines lategame?! this thing is the most OP stuff.
Just push great persons and since lategame leylines are just everywhere (sometimes even 2 in 1 city) each of your cities has a total yield of science/culture/production solely like entire nations.
i had 700 science in 1200 AD with only 5 cities, researched everything and pushed each round a unit in every city, no matter how much production it costs.... and i didnt even play brazil who gets even quicker to that point.

Greece or Bulgaria with owls of minerva is the same stuff.... ridiculous OP since they generate so much science/gold/cultur and envoys, no one can even compete.

Or Khmer/India/Indonesia/Ethiopia with voidsingers is just insane.... (even rome does well with it because of his free monuments)

[Legion = surrender]

Leylines wont help you, if a vampire with 250 strength is sitting in front of your capital :>

[talemore]

Only Warriors with stone axes are strong enough to stop this beast

[Aeekto]

Originally posted by Kotori Asobi:

Leylines wont help you, if a vampire with 250 strength is sitting in front of your capital :>

if he has that much then you obviously did something wrong.
He has only the basestrength of the strongest unit the player build + 1 damage per unit killed on a tile next to it (and only max +10 from barbs total).
Downside from vampires is he cant generate so easy a huge amount of science like all the other SS.... so your units usually are stronger than his vampire... and if you don't exploit that advantage early enough, it's your own fault.
To get to 250 melee strength there must have died a ton of units next to it.

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by Aeekto:

Originally posted by Kotori Asobi:

Leylines wont help you, if a vampire with 250 strength is sitting in front of your capital :>

To get to 250 melee strength there must have died a ton of units next to it.

Agreed. Barbarian bonus caps at +10 so you'd have to have allowed them a ton of AI farming to get that much.

Even being generous with numbers like a GDR base, and a bunch of bonuses from great general and your civ, that gets you to about 150 ish. So that would mean allowing them to farm 100 kills at some point, which is ridiculously negligent.

[Lady Crimson (RIP)]

Every SS is pretty strong, cthulhu is amazing with faith economics, ravens are great with wide lots of policies/city states, vampires are the raw power for warfare, and laylines are the mehs. (though laylines are better when you have less competition for great people I suppose, like I have a lot of a.i. in my games.)