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[fsupple1]

Playing a game and I accumulate enough Great Scientist Points to select a scientist. I pull up the screen and the scientist offered (i have enough points to get) grants me a library in a city with a campus. One other player I notice ALMOST has enough points to get the same scientist if I don't select him. Since I do not need this scientist, i pass (do not select him) and finish my turn. When the turn for the player who almost had enough points for this scientist comes up he is awarded the scientist I passed on automatically, i.e.; he doesn't get a chance to select or pass on the scientist and is just awarded the scientist and loses all his accumulated great scientist points.

Is this the way the game should work? OR is this a problem? If a problem, any idea why it is happening?

[crzyfsh123]

Are you sure the other player was awarded automatically the GS? I always spend my points. Need the guy or not. Perhaps the AI does also. Haha, I wasn't aware you kept your points if passing. Did the GS appear and you were in the lead, keeping all your points?

[jmerry82]

If the other player was an AI, they never pass on a Great Person anyway. Multiple players passing is only conceivable in a multiplayer game - in which case that other player should be able to tell you whether they had a choice.

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by crzyfsh123:

Are you sure the other player was awarded automatically the GS? I always spend my points. Need the guy or not. Perhaps the AI does also. Haha, I wasn't aware you kept your points if passing. Did the GS appear and you were in the lead, keeping all your points?

Yes if you pass you keep your points. Note it's also a good idea to mouse over the other civ;s bar and see how many point they earn a turn. But remember that campus special ability points aren't reflected there. However I don't know if AI ever use that ability.

[plaguepenguin]

Originally posted by grognardgary:

Originally posted by crzyfsh123:

Are you sure the other player was awarded automatically the GS? I always spend my points. Need the guy or not. Perhaps the AI does also. Haha, I wasn't aware you kept your points if passing. Did the GS appear and you were in the lead, keeping all your points?

Yes if you pass you keep your points. Note it's also a good idea to mouse over the other civ;s bar and see how many point they earn a turn. But remember that campus special ability points aren't reflected there. However I don't know if AI ever use that ability.

The AI do use campus research grants sometimes, as well as the city projects for every great person type I have noticed.

If I really want the next great person, I check the status frequently, to see if the gold or faith purchase price has come down to within my budget, or if it's safe to let the great person come to me solely by way of great person points. If I do this, observe the progress to the next great person frequently, I sometimes see that an AI has pulled ahead since the last time I checked, but that its per turn great person points haven't increased. More rarely, there is a temporary increase in it's per turn great points to be seen. The only explanation for these observations that makes sense is that the AI has completed, or is just completing, a city project, and thus getting a burst of great person points.

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by plaguepenguin:

Originally posted by grognardgary:

Yes if you pass you keep your points. Note it's also a good idea to mouse over the other civ;s bar and see how many point they earn a turn. But remember that campus special ability points aren't reflected there. However I don't know if AI ever use that ability.

The AI do use campus research grants sometimes, as well as the city projects for every great person type I have noticed.

If I really want the next great person, I check the status frequently, to see if the gold or faith purchase price has come down to within my budget, or if it's safe to let the great person come to me solely by way of great person points. If I do this, observe the progress to the next great person frequently, I sometimes see that an AI has pulled ahead since the last time I checked, but that its per turn great person points haven't increased. More rarely, there is a temporary increase in it's per turn great points to be seen. The only explanation for these observations that makes sense is that the AI has completed, or is just completing, a city project, and thus getting a burst of great person points.

I am constantly pumping GS point via campus research grants. When you play marathon on a huge map and you have 10 to fifteen cities you are going to have a lot of cities that are currently maxed on districts and and you can either build troops you really don't need or do campus research you do campus research.

[fsupple1]

I was playing multiplayer hot seat game with my son. I passed on selecting great scientist. My son was the next in line to have the option to select the great scientist. He never got to decide if he wanted the great scientist or not, he was just automatically given the great scientist I had passed on without having any say. The selection screen did not even come up. The great scientist just showed up in his capital city at the start of his next turn.

I think I must have had a mod conflict of some sort, but do to the number of mods included in the game I have not been able to pin it down to a particular mod. Will advise all of you if this occurs again. Otherwise, thanks for the responses.

[MeniliteZ]

2 things:

Passing on a Great Person gives a discount on that Person to the other players (they then need less points to earn him/her). I'm not sure of the details anymore, but I think it takes a small chunk of your points and reduces the cost of the Person by that amount. You keep the rest of your points.


Also, I'm surprised.
That particular Great Scientist also boosts all Libraries' science output. I consider it one of the better early Scientists. I would've taken it and used it to build your next library. Even later game with enough Libraries that could be a significant boost! (Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.)

EDIT: Oh you passed so your son could get it, that's different.

[MeniliteZ]

Originally posted by plaguepenguin:

More rarely, there is a temporary increase in it's per turn great points to be seen. The only explanation for these observations that makes sense is that the AI has completed, or is just completing, a city project, and thus getting a burst of great person points.

Yes, the City Projects' burst of points do show up in the Great Person screen, on the turn the project is completed. I haven't seen an AI's personally but I see mine all the time.

[fsupple1]

Menilitez,
I think you have come up with the answer. See if you think this is correct:

1. I have enough GPP's to get the Great Scientist and the prompt comes up for me to either select the Great Scientist or to pass.
2. On the Great Person screen I note that my son, who is playing in multiplayer hot seat mode with me, is listed second almost having enough GPP's to get the same Great Scientist.
3. I decide NOT to select the Great Scientist and hit the Pass button and go on to complete my turn. Because I passed I lost some of my accumulated Great Scientist points (that's in the rules) which were granted to my competitors (AI's + my son). This brought my son's GPP's up to where he had enough to get the Great Scientist.
4. When I completed my turn my son's turn came up and the Great Scientist I passed on showed up in his capital automatically without him even being notified to select or pass on selecting the Great Scientist. It thus appears as though the game is structured so in multiplayer hot seat mode the game treated my son (human player) like an AI player and made the selection for him.

Thanks for your input. By the way, you were correct when you stated I should have selected the Great Scientist myself. I didn't pass so my son could get him. I passed because I was stupid. But, you gave me an out by indicating I was a benevolent father looking after my son. Thanks for doing that. You were truly a friend by doing that.

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by fsupple1:

Menilitez,
I think you have come up with the answer. See if you think this is correct:

1. I have enough GPP's to get the Great Scientist and the prompt comes up for me to either select the Great Scientist or to pass.
2. On the Great Person screen I note that my son, who is playing in multiplayer hot seat mode with me, is listed second almost having enough GPP's to get the same Great Scientist.
3. I decide NOT to select the Great Scientist and hit the Pass button and go on to complete my turn. Because I passed I lost some of my accumulated Great Scientist points (that's in the rules) which were granted to my competitors (AI's + my son). This brought my son's GPP's up to where he had enough to get the Great Scientist.
4. When I completed my turn my son's turn came up and the Great Scientist I passed on showed up in his capital automatically without him even being notified to select or pass on selecting the Great Scientist. It thus appears as though the game is structured so in multiplayer hot seat mode the game treated my son (human player) like an AI player and made the selection for him.

Thanks for your input. By the way, you were correct when you stated I should have selected the Great Scientist myself. I didn't pass so my son could get him. I passed because I was stupid. But, you gave me an out by indicating I was a benevolent father looking after my son. Thanks for doing that. You were truly a friend by doing that.

They say confession is good for the soul;)