Add Jewish Civilizations to Civilization 7 !

[Oak]

To create a more inclusive and historically accurate game, I suggest adding Jewish civilizations to Civilization 7. The Jewish presence in the Levant has played a significant role throughout history, with rich contributions to culture, philosophy and religion.

Here’s a brief history highlighting the Jewish Civilization in the Levant:

c. 1200-900 BC: The Hebrew Canaanites formed the United Kingdom of Israel.

900-586 BC: The United Kingdom of Israel was divided into the Kingdom of Israel in the north and the Kingdom of Judah in the south.

586 BC: The two kingdoms were destroyed by the Babylonians.

538-332 BC: The Jews returned to the land of Israel under Persian rule, rebuilding their Second Temple and establishing the semi-autonomous Jewish kingdom of "Medinat Yehuda" ("State of Judah").

332-140 BC: Alexander the Great conquered the Levant, leading to Hellenistic rule.

140 BC - 73 CE: The Jewish Hasmonean dynasty established an independent kingdom after revolting against Hellenistic rule. The Jewish Herodian dynasty later ruled as client kings under Roman influence.

73 CE - 136 CE: Following the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE during the First Jewish-Roman War, Judea was fully integrated as a Roman province known as Judaea.

136 CE: The Bar Kokhba Revolt against Roman rule was crushed, leading to severe repercussions, including the renaming of the province to “Syria-Palaestina” to erase Jewish ties to the land.

Post-136 CE: Despite the catastrophic results of the revolts, many Jews were expelled or taken as slaves across the empire. but there were also Jewish communities remained in the region under Roman rule.

4th-6th centuries CE: Under Byzantine rule, Jewish communities maintained their traditions, and synagogues were built or renovated.

7th-11th centuries CE: During Islamic rule, Jewish communities experienced varying degrees of tolerance and saw a cultural revival, with continued synagogue construction and scholarship.

12th-13th centuries CE: The Crusader period brought new challenges, but Jewish communities managed to preserve their practices.

16th-19th centuries CE: During Ottoman rule, the Levant experienced significant upheaval. Despite the challenges, Jewish communities managed to maintain their religious and cultural practices.s.

19th & 20th centuries: In response to growing antisemitism and the desire to revive the Jewish homeland, large waves of Jewish migration to the region occurred, known as Aliyahs. This movement eventually led to the establishment of the modern State of Israel in 1948.

Here are some suggestions for potential leaders and civilizations that could be included in Civilization 7:

Civilizations: Kingdom of Israel / Kingdom of Judah / State of Israel

King Josiah of Judah (640-609 BC) - A significant figure in the late Kingdom of Judah, Josiah is known for his efforts to centralize power in Jerusalem, strengthening the kingdom during a period of Assyrian decline. Josiah is remembered for his ambitious infrastructure projects and efforts to restore and beautify Jerusalem, including significant renovations to the Temple. His reign is often viewed as a period of cultural and religious renewal in Judah.

King David (c. 1000 BC) - Traditionally credited with uniting the Israelite tribes and establishing Jerusalem as his capital, David’s historical role is debated, but he is seen as a central figure in the early history of the Israelite monarchy.

King Solomon (c. 970-931 BC) - Known for extensive building projects, including the First Temple in Jerusalem, Solomon’s reign marked a period of relative peace and economic prosperity. His historicity is also debated, but his era represents a high point in the united monarchy’s power.

Judas Maccabeus (c. 165-160 BC) - Leader of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire. His military successes and leadership were pivotal in the establishment of the Hasmonean dynasty. His role is celebrated for initiating the struggle for Jewish independence.

John Hyrcanus (134-104 BC) - A prominent Hasmonean leader, Hyrcanus expanded the Jewish state’s borders and strengthened its autonomy. He is known for his successful military campaigns, which secured key territories and helped consolidate Hasmonean rule.

Herod the Great (37-4 BC) - A masterful builder and diplomat, Herod transformed Judea with monumental construction projects, including the expansion of the Second Temple, the fortresses of Masada and Herodium, and the port city of Caesarea.

David Ben-Gurion (1886-1973) - The primary founder of the modern State of Israel and its first Prime Minister, Ben-Gurion was instrumental in declaring independence in 1948 and leading the new nation through its formative years and early conflicts.

Golda Meir (1898-1978) - Known as the “Iron Lady” of Israeli politics, Golda Meir was Israel’s fourth Prime Minister. Her leadership during the Yom Kippur War and her role in international diplomacy left a lasting impact on the nation’s history.

Including Jewish Civilizations in Civilization 7 would add depth and diversity to the gameplay. We hope the developers remain loyal to historical accuracy, offering a fuller and more nuanced picture of world history.

I am certain that this post will attract antisemites and trolls, but it’s crucial to prioritize historical accuracy regardless. While some argue that Jews are merely a religion and not an ethnicity, extensive scientific research confirms that Jewish communities share a common ancestry from the ancient Levant. Jews have preserved a continuous ethnic and cultural identity, with approximately two-thirds of Israeli Jews having ancestors who never left the Middle East. It’s important for the developers to stay true to historical facts and not be discouraged by negative reactions.

[[Mahd] Reaver]

tbf Judaism is already in game. Using figures or countires that were jewish is fine but idk about making a Civ or leader's main identifier being jewish makes sense for the game from a mechanics perspective since religion is a free form mechanic.

[Jordan]

This would be so great! And would teach people a lot about the history in the Middle East. Maybe it'll be a DLC pack depending on the audience, I would hope antisemitism doesn't disgrace this history.

[Sstavix]

I like that Judaism has been included as a religion. But I would love to see Israel added as a playable civilization as well. Such a rich history that deserves to be explored!

[Evrach]

You should post this in the Civ 7 forum, not here.

[SlasH]

Originally posted by Evrach:

You should post this in the Civ 7 forum, not here.

Yes, there is already a game hub for Civ VII, here it's pointless https://steamcommunity.com/app/1295660/discussions/

[Appiodici]

It is still a little nation. Even Italy was never in the game is not in the game, they took Rome instead ... Israel being Jerusalem (city state) like Vatican or Bruxelles for Belgium is okay ! But i agree that Jerusalem can give option to build special Solomon temple improvement or something like this.

[DaBo81]

Civ 6 isn't going to get any updates at this point, but there's probably Israel mods on workshop.
Since Israel is such a controversial and divisive civ, perhaps Firaxis would rather not include them for marketing purposes?
Anyway, you're better off asking for Israel in Civ 7

[crzyfsh123]

Yes there are plenty of Leader mods.

[Brecor]

If Israel was added Firaxis would be laying off staff across the board to counter their losses. Although almost every sentence in your last paragraph is revisionist propaganda.

[Appiodici]

Originally posted by crzyfsh123:

Yes there are plenty of Leader mods.

well mod are often very bad. Not special music lead to the civ and evolve around era, no localization, the leader dont move (blank image) etc

[Rift]

Originally posted by Brecor:

If Israel was added Firaxis would be laying off staff across the board to counter their losses.

Why would that be the case?

[KoesKoes]

"it’s crucial to prioritize historical accuracy regardless". "It’s important for the developers to stay true to historical facts" no no, you find this important. If it's crucial to have historical accuracy, every nation and all lost civ's are needed in the game and there are civs we ( the public ) know nothing about. Be happy with what civ's you get otherwise make your own civ in the game. it's fairly easy

[Appiodici]

Originally posted by KoesKoes:

"it’s crucial to prioritize historical accuracy regardless". "It’s important for the developers to stay true to historical facts" no no, you find this important. If it's crucial to have historical accuracy, every nation and all lost civ's are needed in the game and there are civs we ( the public ) know nothing about. Be happy with what civ's you get otherwise make your own civ in the game. it's fairly easy

It is not easy to make a modded civ, often they are not well made because it is hard (animation for the leader, asset for special unit, loclization in multiples langages, and of course the music that must be the same but with different beats on differents eras) for a good implemantation in the game. I never found ANY MOD that fullfit these points like a official civ in the game.

[diomed3]

The Hebrew Nations have had a greater effect on the world than half the Civs they have now.

[Brecor]

Of course the obvious misconception with the OP is that he's conflating the Ancient Hebrews with the modern Jewish people of Israel, most of which are originally from Central and Eastern Europe before being dumped by the WW2 Allies to create the very modern state that is known as 'Israel' through mass ethnic cleansing. What it intentionally ignores is the genetic studies that shows that it is the Palestinians that are the actual descendants of these Ancient Hebrews.

But if Firaxis were to add these people, they'd have to add two new casus belli:

1) Declare War on a different Continent because the God of a Foreign extinct Civ(that converted you) said you can have it in the Ancient Era - only can be declared in the Atomic and Information Eras).
2) Declare War on another civ's Women and Children - if declared in the Information Era receive no warmonger penalties.