Looking for a war cart

[Animalman]

Like a real picture, of a real war cart.

Why?

Sumeria is the oldest civ in the world right?, give or take that new site in Turkey,
I think it might have inspired some aspects of the Flintstones.
Doesnt the war cart icon look like the car from the flintstones?

i believe it does.

[Exemplar]

googling "donkey cart" doesn't do it for you?

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Animalman:

Doesnt the war cart icon look like the car from the flintstones?

Not to me. Not even close. The war cart isn't made of stone, and is propelled by an animal rather than by the passenger(s). There is almost nothing similar about the two objects, aside from both having wheels (although even the number of wheels is different).

Originally posted by Animalman:

Sumeria [snip] I think it might have inspired some aspects of the Flintstones.

Similarly, there is almost no similarity between Sumeria and the Flintstones. If the creators of the Flintstones were trying to draw inspiration from Sumeria they either did a very poor job or they hid it very well. The Flintstones bears more similarity to America in the 1950's and 1960's (its actual inspiration) than it does to Sumeria or the historical stone age in which the show supposedly takes place.


Edit:

Originally posted by Animalman:

Like a real picture, of a real war cart.

A google search for "sumerian war cart" followed by a click on "Images" will turn up a number of results.

[Kotli]

Well this site gives an ok break down: http://sumerianshakespeare.com/84201.html
Or you can google Sumerian war chariot to find other sources.

[Animalman]

Im loving this argument.

It looks like the flintstones bro.

I think the real wheels will be the giveaway.

There are some stone wheels on a stone chariot in india, buts its non functional.

Obviously when the artifact was unearthed, no donkey or animal was attached, So maybe its connected to the flintstones.

I googled it and found only replica imagery of the chariot, and not an artifact. I saw the chariot the civ 6 one takes inspiration from, but i couldnt find a photograph of the real mcoy.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Animalman:

I googled it and found only replica imagery of the chariot, and not an artifact. I saw the chariot the civ 6 one takes inspiration from, but i couldnt find a photograph of the real mcoy.

I doubt there are any real Sumerian war carts that have survived the 4,000+ years since they would have been built. Replica imagery is probably the best that you can get.

Originally posted by Animalman:

It looks like the flintstones bro.

If you think so, then I'm not convinced that you and I are talking about the same Flintstones. The vehicles in the Flintstones (not including larger construction vehicles) were propelled by the occupants, not pulled by beast of burden. They had a wheel for steering, and a roof, but no floor. Sumerian war carts had no roof, a floor, and a raised front to protect the occupants from dust and dirt thrown up by the hooves of the animals that pulled the cart. They were entered and exited from the open rear, unlike a Flintstones car (which is modeled after a modern car, not a war cart) which is entered and exited from the sides.

[Animalman]

The time zone was messed up because the flintstones had been written in the context of modern era; an adaptation of some kind of apocalyptic scenario in which reptiles thrived; wherein its real world flesh and blood inspiration would be derived from the accompanying artifacts of sumerian gold and treasure. Such as; the stone wagon, and stone huts.
I imagine the artifact of the carriage exists; it is just under private ownership; perhaps of the private wealth scale equivalent or more to the private wealth scale once required to manufacture and broadcast entertainment. Even ship, and wooden artifacts survive the times, and are evident in egypt; yet moreso, upon the theoretical discovery of the stone chariot; as an artifact; the context of understanding regarding modern understanding of sumeria and translations of cuneform texts; of the time; was not at the level of archeological clarity in which it is portrayed to be understood today. And here with stories of evolution, and natural selection, cave man, and ice age being; relatively fresh proposals; the collector; had a very differnt understanding of it all.

[Exemplar]

Originally posted by Animalman:

... the accompanying artifacts of sumerian gold and treasure. Such as; the stone wagon, and stone huts.

erm. wagons were not stone, and while there may have been stone huts, they had full on masonry, even past cyclopean construction.

[Animalman]

Its like the panda,

In the wild

Where does it nest?


Does it leaves its babies in the nest? Unattended? Whilst its feeds?

It doesnt have a pouch.

Its babies are unusually small.

Was it ever a wild animal?

[Animalman]

See when we are looking at the panda

despite there being a number of depictions of bears in Chinese art starting from its most ancient times, and the bamboo being one of the favorite subjects for Chinese painters, there are no known pre-20th-century artistic representations of giant pandas


de-riddle that

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Animalman:

The time zone was messed up because the flintstones had been written in the context of modern era; an adaptation of some kind of apocalyptic scenario in which reptiles thrived; wherein its real world flesh and blood inspiration would be derived from the accompanying artifacts of sumerian gold and treasure. Such as; the stone wagon, and stone huts.

The Flintstones was literally 1950's (and later 1960's) America reimagined with primitive "stone-age" imagery and conceptualizations. No effort was made to be true to history, and no actual historical society was the basis for anything in it. Their construction equipment was dinosaurs and their garbage disposal was some pig-like creature (perhaps inspired by the ancestors of pigs, but probably just made up). Also, their garbage-disposing pig could talk. The Sumerians did not live concurrently with dinosaurs and the idea of a garbage disposal (or even the idea of garbage) did not exist in their society. Certainly, there were no talking pigs. There's absolutely no reason to connect Sumeria and the Flintstones, and even less reason to think that Sumerian "gold and treasure" yielded the inspiration for the cartoon.

Assuming you are genuinely confused about this, I will refer you to this article with more information about the cartoon series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flintstones

An image of the car in question is also present on that page, just in case you haven't actually seen it (I doubt anyone who has actually seen it would confuse it with a war cart).

Originally posted by Animalman:

I imagine the artifact of the carriage exists; it is just under private ownership; perhaps of the private wealth scale equivalent or more to the private wealth scale once required to manufacture and broadcast entertainment. Even ship, and wooden artifacts survive the times, and are evident in egypt; yet moreso, upon the theoretical discovery of the stone chariot; as an artifact; the context of understanding regarding modern understanding of sumeria and translations of cuneform texts; of the time; was not at the level of archeological clarity in which it is portrayed to be understood today. And here with stories of evolution, and natural selection, cave man, and ice age being; relatively fresh proposals; the collector; had a very differnt understanding of it all.

I'm not sure whether you are irrational or just intoxicated. Maybe you just have a rambling, stream-of-consciousness posting style that I find difficult to follow. Regardless, it doesn't matter what you imagine to be true; or if you prefer, let me rephrase that to: imagining that something exists won't actually make it exist. If you were able to find an image of an actual war cart then presumably you wouldn't have started this thread. Since you haven't been able to find an image of it yourself, and no one you've asked has been able to direct you to an image of one, and several of the people you have asked have told you that no image of it exists*, the rational conclusion would be that none of them survived.

However, I must concede that the word of some random people on the internet is not the same thing as actual proof. So, if you prefer to believe that somewhere out there an intact Sumerian war cart has survived, that's your prerogative. I wish you the best of luck in your search.

If you do find such an image, I expect that it will be fairly similar to replica war carts which were modeled after ancient images (such as on pottery) of war carts, which have survived. I also expect that, like the replica war carts, the real war cart will be nothing like one of those Flintstones cars.

Edit: * Upon rechecking the thread I find that I'm the only one so far who has gone so far as to say that an actual war cart has not survived. I certainly wouldn't expect you to take my word alone. So, as I said, best of luck with your search.

[Penetrator]

I don’t think cameras existed when Sumeria was around so you won’t be able to find a picture of a real war cart.

[theguynamedguy]

Eh, it's a living.

[pitonsnaboca]

Everybody knows pandas are just normal bears that a chinese governamental employee has to paint in black and white every 6 months (or 3, if it rains).

[Animalman]

The Sumerians did not live concurrently with dinosaurs

Maybe not the sumerians, but how about Khmer, Cambodia certainly has ancient dinosaur statues.

[Animalman]

Everybody knows pandas are just normal bears that a chinese governamental employee has to paint in black and white every 6 months (or 3, if it rains).

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P : P: P :P :P : P :P :P
I know right

hey, but honestly i am baffled by the panda, because ancient chinese emperors wrote about them, and passed them as gifts, they did not use them for medicine. But nobody; in chinas long artistic histroy --> had anyone ever painted one. So the ancient words we are translating and assuming mean panda, cannot really be fully confirmed. Does this mean panda is created using technology that here in the religious west we have wrote a large amount of moral and ethical legislation against, such as genetic modification and experimentation of hybrid animals; gene manipulation; and functional manufactured species?

In this case, i think we're looking at ---> the red panda, has been artificially combined with a grizzly bear; and then somewhat domesticated; to produce black and white fur patterns similar to dogs. Its pups are too small, its adults are too large; the diet is unexpected of the morphology, and the diet is terribly restricted. And no panda is born without human assistance.

In the early 2000s and 1990s the news discussed the possibility of DESIGNER BABIES; now these guys admitted the technology existed to manipulate genes at embryo stage; to produce desired effects. And it was on the news for its ethical and moral scrutiny. So.
These things may exist, but our religous favoring governments tend not to allow these things be researched here, or practiced, or even broadcast.