Is Kupe special?

[jimmybackman1]

So its ancient era, I have done zero chops & he is rambling about me taking a dump in the sea + denounced me for not treating the enviorment well?

[Lisan al Gaib]

Kupe ruins games. His agenda dictates that he hates his neighbors and him starting in the Ocean means someone inevitably gets forward settled. Just remove him from the leader pool and your games will get better.

[anynamewilldo]

did you settle on something like marsh or woods? On a higher difficulty i love figuring out Kupe sent out the settlers alone and i or the barbs got one or both. I came so close once to gobble both kupe settlers. I got one and the other settled on a worthless tundra and ice area on deity.

[Darklord]

He is my closest ally in my current game. (Teddy Roosevelt (Bull Moose))

I've been mostly running Preserves instead of upgrading tiles.

Daniel.

[[‡]=Storky=[‡]]

Originally posted by anynamewilldo:

did you settle on something like marsh or woods? On a higher difficulty i love figuring out Kupe sent out the settlers alone and i or the barbs got one or both. I came so close once to gobble both kupe settlers. I got one and the other settled on a worthless tundra and ice area on deity.

NIce

[tez3me]

i can only imagine what he woulda thought when i played as his ppl and 2 thirds of the worlds co2 was from me :)

[plaguepenguin]

Originally posted by jimmybackman1:

So its ancient era, I have done zero chops & he is rambling about me taking a dump in the sea + denounced me for not treating the enviorment well?

This is absolutely standard behavior from the AI. Whatever the actual cause of their dislike for you, and there is a sizable random factor that gets applied when you first meet, they express it to you in terms of one of their agendas, usually their leading agenda. Alexander upbraids you for not being at war, Gandhi and the Bruce for being at war, and Kupe for destroying the environment. It is true that they apply a dislike factor if you actually violate their agenda, and a positive factor if you do follow their agenda, but those factors aren't huge, and are usually outweighed by all the many other factors of like and dislike that arise as the game progresses.

Whatever factors are really at work to make them dislike you, though, when they denounce you because the dislike has grown large enough to push them there, they express it in terms of you violating their agenda, even if you haven't actually violated their agenda. In this behavioral tic they are so much like actual humans as to make one despair for the future of humankind.

Within the game, though, there is no cause for despair. Do other things to make Kupe like you (send a delegation, have open borders, make some deals, even send some gold if having him like you is that important) and you won't get a denunciation. You'll still get a dislike factor if you despoil the environment, you animal, but as long as all the like factors outweigh the agenda penalty and whatever other dislike factors you have with him, he will eventually get into your friend zone. You could have enough like factors to be allies, and if you are an egregious violator of his agenda, he will still nag you about that, but that's all he'll do -- no denunciation, no other negative consequences, just some virtue signalling to let him blow off steam.

If it's early in the game, the initial random dislike/like factor might still be important, therefore he denounced you because you happened to roll a large dislike at random. Denunciations usually are only a sign of imminent attack if an AI has cities near you, has a larger army than you, and starts to move them towards your border. Most denunciations are never followed up on, and even many declarations of war never result in an invasion that actually threatens to capture your cities.

[Elric of Melnibone]

Originally posted by jimmybackman1:

So its ancient era, I have done zero chops & he is rambling about me taking a dump in the sea + denounced me for not treating the enviorment well?

Kupe begins in the ocean with a settler.

[jonnin]

Originally posted by Elric of Melnibone:

Originally posted by jimmybackman1:

So its ancient era, I have done zero chops & he is rambling about me taking a dump in the sea + denounced me for not treating the enviorment well?

Kupe begins in the ocean with a settler.

that is his misfortune.
Doesn't change anything, all the AI hate you unless you constantly work hard to avoid it. And they are all crazy ... one turn praise you, next turn complain .. about the same things! Ive been chewed out for debt when I am making money hand over fist, for yet another example. And the dutch expect you to send traders 1000000 miles over to them on turn 10 when everything between you and them is filled with barbarians, while the vikings expect your landlocked colony to have moar boatz. Artificial stupidity, at its finest.

[ppaladin123]

I love having Kupe in the game because he regularly settles random cities in between mine that immediately lose loyalty. In the last game I played I picked up 3 cities from him this way.

[Buu Introspectivo]

I confess that wasn't the kind of special I expected from the title of thread. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[ChunkyButternut]

He starts in the ocean, with deep water travel, and gets huge bonuses to the cities he settles to make up for the fact that it might take him 10 turns to ever hit land for his first city. Yes he's special. He's one of the most unique civs in the game. Try playing as him, it's a blast.